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Any good, or complete crap?
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| Chris Harris 2004-01-09, 1:29 pm |
| Hi gang,
Cast your eyes, browsers etc. over this one please.
All comments and critique welcome.
http://www.rba.org.fk
Hope it's not too slow when viewed from outside of the islands.
Chris
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| "Chris Harris" <chris.harris@cwfi.co.fk> wrote:
quote:
> http://www.rba.org.fk
Minor layout issue. Nothing too glaring.
--
Farlo, the Urban Fey Dragon
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| mark | r 2004-01-09, 1:29 pm |
| i think uninspired is more like it...
this is alt.DESIGN.GRAPHICS
not alt.development.text
mark :)
"Chris Harris" <chris.harris@cwfi.co.fk> wrote in message
news:btmmf8$90a9a$1@ID-134007.news.uni-berlin.de...quote:
> Hi gang,
>
> Cast your eyes, browsers etc. over this one please.
>
> All comments and critique welcome.
>
> http://www.rba.org.fk
>
> Hope it's not too slow when viewed from outside of the islands.
>
> Chris
>
>
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| Chris Harris 2004-01-09, 1:29 pm |
| quote:
>
>
> Minor layout issue. Nothing too glaring.
Err what's that then?
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| Chris Harris wrote:
quote:
> Hi gang,
>
> Cast your eyes, browsers etc. over this one please.
>
> All comments and critique welcome.
>
> http://www.rba.org.fk
>
> Hope it's not too slow when viewed from outside of the islands.
>
> Chris
I think it's fine. The only question is why did you make the <emph> class
instead of redefining <em> or <strong> ?
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| Chris Harris wrote:quote:
>
> All comments and critique welcome.
>
> http://www.rba.org.fk
Works for me. Less is more. My pages tend to be as simple as I can
make them, too. Clean code, functioning pages. I like it.
quote:
> Hope it's not too slow when viewed from outside of the islands.
Fast as lightning in the states, but then I'm on cable modem. ;-)
--
Brian
follow the directions in my address to email me
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| Chris Harris 2004-01-09, 2:29 pm |
| quote:
> I think it's fine. The only question is why did you make the <emph> class
> instead of redefining <em> or <strong> ?
That is an excellent question, well presented !
I have no idea, must have been a mental block at the time. I will review it.
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| Toby A Inkster 2004-01-09, 4:32 pm |
| mark | r wrote:
quote:
> i think uninspired is more like it...
> this is alt.DESIGN.GRAPHICS
> not alt.development.text
Despite Mark's disorientation, he does bring up a valid point. The page is
a little bland.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Falkland Islands are rather pretty. Take
advantage of that. Step outside with a digital camera and take a few
photos and put together something like this:
http://www.goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/scratch/rba.org.fk/
I was a little rushed in finding a nice picture of the Falklands, and
you'd need to work a little bit on liquidity, but you get the idea, right?
--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me - http://www.goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/?page=132
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| Toby A Inkster wrote:quote:
>
> Despite Mark's disorientation, he does bring up a valid point. The page is
> a little bland.
>
> Step outside with a digital camera and take a few
> photos and put together something like this:
>
> http://www.goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/scratch/rba.org.fk/
Except make that image a background image to the heading, so the h1
element can sit over it. All the benefits of a nice presentation, with
no loss in structure, meaning, or flexibility.
--
Brian
follow the directions in my address to email me
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| William Tasso 2004-01-09, 8:29 pm |
| Chris Harris wrote:quote:
> Hi gang,
>
> Cast your eyes, browsers etc. over this one please.
>
> All comments and critique welcome.
>
> http://www.rba.org.fk
good work, clear and to the point.
o why XHTML?
o Is there a non rural ba on the islands?
On the login page: the <p> elements containing the input boxes should be
<label> elements.
On the commitee page: This looks odd in the current table structure ...
<td>Paul Robertson (Port Stephens)
<br />
Stanley</td>
<td>42306
<br />
21096</td>
quote:
> Hope it's not too slow when viewed from outside of the islands.
Nope - loads fine here (uk/cable-dsl)
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William Tasso - http://WilliamTasso.com
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"Toby A Inkster" <UseTheAddressInMySig@deadspam.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.01.09.19.21.42.429102@goddamn.co.uk...quote:
> mark | r wrote:
>
>
> Despite Mark's disorientation, he does bring up a valid point. The page is
> a little bland.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Falkland Islands are rather pretty. Take
> advantage of that. Step outside with a digital camera and take a few
> photos and put together something like this:
>
> http://www.goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/scratch/rba.org.fk/
>
> I was a little rushed in finding a nice picture of the Falklands, and
> you'd need to work a little bit on liquidity, but you get the idea, right?
IIRC the Falklands have a very small pipe to the outside, something like
10Mbps for the entire country. The images would have to be much smaller than
100+K :-)
Cheers
Richard.
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| Eric Bohlman 2004-01-10, 12:29 am |
| "Chris Harris" <chris.harris@cwfi.co.fk> wrote in news:btmmf8$90a9a$1@ID-
134007.news.uni-berlin.de:
quote:
> Cast your eyes, browsers etc. over this one please.
>
> All comments and critique welcome.
>
> http://www.rba.org.fk
>
> Hope it's not too slow when viewed from outside of the islands.
It's not too slow here.
Lose the quotation marks around "Rural Business Association"; in normal
English usage, proper names aren't quoted and the effect of the quotes is
to create the impression that you're not talking about the "real" group.
I don't think that <abbr> markup is necessary or even desirable when
mentioning an abbreviation in the immediate context of what it stands for.
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| Disco Octopus 2004-01-10, 6:28 am |
| in news:btnh7i$9908q$1@ID-139074.news.uni-berlin.de,
William Tasso typed:quote:
> Chris Harris wrote:
>
> good work, clear and to the point.
>
> o why XHTML?
> o Is there a non rural ba on the islands?
>
> On the login page: the <p> elements containing the input boxes
> should be <label> elements.
>
> On the commitee page: This looks odd in the current table structure
also on the comittee page. not sure how to get around it, but I try to
minimise the need to put email addresses on pages - for spam reasons. try
perhaps to make alternative contact methods such as submitting messages to
these people and letting the server deside what email address to send the
message to.
just a thought.
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| "Chris Harris" <chris.harris@cwfi.co.fk> wrote:
quote:
> Err what's that then?
Let your eyes tell you as you slowly scan the page - are they tired from
bouncing left, right, left? Anything jarring? There's one item.
--
Farlo, the Urban Fey Dragon
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| Chris Harris 2004-01-10, 8:29 pm |
| quote:
> IIRC the Falklands have a very small pipe to the outside, something like
> 10Mbps for the entire country. The images would have to be much smaller than
> 100+K :-)
LOL if only we had 10Mb/s we have 1Mb/s in and 512kb/s out.
And as I said the people that this site is meant for, the forum and
members area being the main parts, are going to live in the remote rural
places where if they are lucky they will get 33k connections.
I did originally make a header image exactly as Toby demonstrated but
took it out.
I also tried making a watermark type background with a map of the
islands, but decided that it didn't add anything and took it out.
There are plenty of pretty Falkland pics sites out there already.
I've a few on my site at http://www.viking-house.com/webalbum/photos.php
Thanks for the input anyway.
Cheers
Chris
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| Chris Harris 2004-01-10, 8:29 pm |
| quote:
> good work, clear and to the point.
Thanksquote:
>
> o why XHTML?
Why not, I'm trying to learn it, and it's future proof, I hope.
quote:
> o Is there a non rural ba on the islands?
Yes, the Chamber of Commerce I guess, anyway that's what it's called and
when they get it to me there will be a page explaining the history of
the organisation.quote:
>
> On the login page: the <p> elements containing the input boxes should be
> <label> elements.
>
I'll fix it
quote:
> On the commitee page: This looks odd in the current table structure ...
> <td>Paul Robertson (Port Stephens)
> <br />
> Stanley</td>
> <td>42306
> <br />
> 21096</td>
hmmm It;s because he has two phone numbers on in Port Stephens and one
in Stanley. Hopefully they align correctly.
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| Chris Harris 2004-01-10, 8:29 pm |
| quote:
> also on the comittee page. not sure how to get around it, but I try to
> minimise the need to put email addresses on pages - for spam reasons. try
> perhaps to make alternative contact methods such as submitting messages to
> these people and letting the server deside what email address to send the
> message to.
>
> just a thought.
I offered to do that for them but they wanted the email addresses on the
page. No doubt when they are snowed under with offer to supply them with
cheap viagra they will come back to me :-(
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| Chris Harris 2004-01-10, 8:29 pm |
| quote:
>
> Lose the quotation marks around "Rural Business Association"; in normal
> English usage, proper names aren't quoted and the effect of the quotes is
> to create the impression that you're not talking about the "real" group.
Shouldn't that be loose ;-)
It's a good point though.quote:
>
> I don't think that <abbr> markup is necessary or even desirable when
> mentioning an abbreviation in the immediate context of what it stands for.
Agreed. I put that in when I was only using the abbreviations, instead
of the full names, and then when I put in the full name I didn't remove it.
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| Chris Harris 2004-01-10, 8:29 pm |
| quote:
> Let your eyes tell you as you slowly scan the page - are they tired from
> bouncing left, right, left? Anything jarring? There's one item.
>
I followed the advice often given here and left it up to the user to
choose their own line length by adjusting the width of their browser
window. ;-)
The max length markup doensn't work across the browser divide so it
hardly seems using it.
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| Farlo 2004-01-10, 11:29 pm |
| Chris Harris <chris.harris@cwfi.co.fk> wrote:
quote:
> I followed the advice often given here and left it up to the user to
> choose their own line length by adjusting the width of their browser
> window. ;-)
That's not the issue. On YOUR window with YOUR setting, didn't you notice
anything odd or jarring?
How
CAN
I
make
this
clear?
--
Farlo, the Urban Fey Dragon
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"Chris Harris" <chris.harris@cwfi.co.fk> wrote in message
news:btq3ue$a98mj$1@ID-134007.news.uni-berlin.de...quote:
>
than[QUOTE][color=darkred]
>
> LOL if only we had 10Mb/s we have 1Mb/s in and 512kb/s out.
Bits or bytes? I was talking 10M bits/s, standard end user cable connection
speed. 1M bit/s is dreadfull.
quote:
> And as I said the people that this site is meant for, the forum and
> members area being the main parts, are going to live in the remote rural
> places where if they are lucky they will get 33k connections.
The remote rural areas of Australia are lucky if they get 33K connections.
Yes, we have several gigabit pipes coming into the country but they end at
the edge of the city :-(. brucie will tell you.
quote:
> I did originally make a header image exactly as Toby demonstrated but
> took it out.
>
> I also tried making a watermark type background with a map of the
> islands, but decided that it didn't add anything and took it out.
Hmmm. Good idea. If you stick to a small number of colours (2, 4, 8) and
make it a gif then there are places around that will compress the bejesus
out of your gif. A full page not too complex "watermark" might only be 5K.
Don't let it obscure the content though.quote:
>
> There are plenty of pretty Falkland pics sites out there already.
> I've a few on my site at http://www.viking-house.com/webalbum/photos.php
Stick a few of them on there anyway, smallish and heavily compressed (10K
like tobys example) or even thumbnail teasers, like on your site (nice) but
at 1K per each.
Those that are interested may just spend the few minutes to download a
reasonable looking 30K image. Give them the option :-)
quote:
> Thanks for the input anyway.
No problem.
Cheers
Richard.
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"Farlo" <hall.j.m@att.net> wrote in message
news:Xns946CC67295AA4halljmattnet@68.12.19.6...quote:
> Chris Harris <chris.harris@cwfi.co.fk> wrote:
>
>
> That's not the issue. On YOUR window with YOUR setting, didn't you notice
> anything odd or jarring?
> How
> CAN
> I
> make
> this
> clear?
By providing a screenshot? I too don't know what your gripe is :-)
Cheers
Richard.
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| Toby A Inkster 2004-01-11, 8:28 am |
| Chris Harris wrote:
quote:
> And as I said the people that this site is meant for, the forum and
> members area being the main parts, are going to live in the remote rural
> places where if they are lucky they will get 33k connections.
Well then if you were to keep the page (including CSS and graphics)
to ~15KB, it should load in under 5 seconds.
Is the server that the site is going to reside on based in the Falklands
or is it on the other side of the pipe?
--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me - http://www.goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/?page=132
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| Chris Harris 2004-01-11, 9:28 am |
| quote:
>
> That's not the issue. On YOUR window with YOUR setting, didn't you notice
> anything odd or jarring?
> How
> CAN
> I
> make
> this
> clear?
>
Ahh I guess your getting at the offset headers. Well how many times do
you read the header/banner/whatever at the top of a page. In all the
page design texts that I have read or been taught that is the least
important part of the page, it's the last thing a reader scans, and
doesn't affect the readability of the text on the page.
Yes it would have been more 'correct' to left align the 'Representing
the rural community' slogan too, but well that would have just been too
boring I think!
My opinion is that offsetting the two parts of the header on this page
gives it some balance.
If that's not what you mean please lay it out in black and white as
suggested by Richard.
Chris
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| Chris Harris 2004-01-11, 9:28 am |
| >>LOL if only we had 10Mb/s we have 1Mb/s in and 512kb/s out.quote:
>
>
> Bits or bytes? I was talking 10M bits/s, standard end user cable connection
> speed. 1M bit/s is dreadfull.
bits.. My day job is a satellite communications engineer and I'm
intimatley familiar with the circuit. This is a real 1Mb/s though not a
best effort cable job.
quote:
> The remote rural areas of Australia are lucky if they get 33K connections.
> Yes, we have several gigabit pipes coming into the country but they end at
> the edge of the city :-(. brucie will tell you.
Yea they still have some party lines over there too where you have to
book your call in advance ;-)
quote:
>
>
> Hmmm. Good idea. If you stick to a small number of colours (2, 4, 8) and
> make it a gif then there are places around that will compress the bejesus
> out of your gif. A full page not too complex "watermark" might only be 5K.
> Don't let it obscure the content though.
Yea I think I got it down to about 4k, might put it up on a test page
again and post the URL here for comments.
quote:
> Stick a few of them on there anyway, smallish and heavily compressed (10K
> like tobys example) or even thumbnail teasers, like on your site (nice) but
> at 1K per each.
>
> Those that are interested may just spend the few minutes to download a
> reasonable looking 30K image. Give them the option :-)
I'll have a think about that. But it's not my site, I'm only building it.
Cheers
Chris
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| Chris Harris 2004-01-11, 9:28 am |
| quote:
> Well then if you were to keep the page (including CSS and graphics)
> to ~15KB, it should load in under 5 seconds.
>
> Is the server that the site is going to reside on based in the Falklands
> or is it on the other side of the pipe?
It's in the Falklands, the one it's on now.
Chris
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| Toby A Inkster 2004-01-11, 11:29 am |
| Chris Harris wrote:quote:
> Toby wrote:
>
> It's in the Falklands, the one it's on now.
Well, consider using a little server-side magic to test the IP of the
visitor, serve them a graphical header if they're in the Falklands and a
text header if they're outside.
This way the image never leaves the islands, so you don't need to worry
about it clogging up your plumbing.
--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me - http://www.goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/?page=132
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| Farlo 2004-01-11, 12:29 pm |
| "rf" <making.it.up@the.time> wrote:
quote:
>
> By providing a screenshot? I too don't know what your gripe is :-)
>
This is EXACTLY why I don't usually provide follow-up. Your disingenuous
reply is a complete waste of my time.
--
Farlo, the Urban Fey Dragon
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| Farlo 2004-01-11, 12:29 pm |
| Chris Harris <chris.harris@cwfi.co.fk> wrote:
quote:
> Well how many times do
> you read the header/banner/whatever at the top of a page. In all the
> page design texts that I have read or been taught that is the least
> important part of the page, it's the last thing a reader scans, and
> doesn't affect the readability of the text on the page.
Oh my God. The header and first sentence are ... just forget it, okay?
And don't put on airs about knowing how to read, either!
--
Farlo, the Urban Fey Dragon
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| Chris Harris 2004-01-11, 1:29 pm |
| quote:
>
> Oh my God. The header and first sentence are ... just forget it, okay?
> And don't put on airs about knowing how to read, either!
I'm not putting on airs matey, just wind your neck in OK.
If you can't be clear and concise with your answers you may as well not
respond.
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| kchayka 2004-01-11, 4:29 pm |
| Farlo wrote:
quote:
> Chris Harris <chris.harris@cwfi.co.fk> wrote:
>
>
> That's not the issue. On YOUR window with YOUR setting, didn't you notice
> anything odd or jarring?
> How
> CAN
> I
> make
> this
> clear?
I don't see anything resembling this on any of the pages, regardless of
text or window size. I think a screenshot would be helpful.
--
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address is considered spam and automatically deleted.
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| Chris Harris 2004-01-11, 5:29 pm |
| quote:
>
>
> Well, consider using a little server-side magic to test the IP of the
> visitor, serve them a graphical header if they're in the Falklands and a
> text header if they're outside.
>
> This way the image never leaves the islands, so you don't need to worry
> about it clogging up your plumbing.
>
That's a good point, and one that I have considered. But I'm not really
concerned about the stuff going out of the islands because basically
there are only http requests and emails going out anyway.
I've had a play with putting a photo behind the headline. I'll try for
something better if the organisation like it.
http://www.rba.org.fk
Chris
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"Farlo" <hall.j.m@att.net> wrote in message
news:Xns946D4FC879D82halljmattnet@68.12.19.6...quote:
> "rf" <making.it.up@the.time> wrote:
>
>
> This is EXACTLY why I don't usually provide follow-up. Your disingenuous
> reply is a complete waste of my time.
I have absolutely no idea what the above means and I have absolutely no idea
what your other posts are about either.
What is this? a guessing competition? We have to guess what your posts mean
or what you are thinking? I note the OP is as much in the dark as I am.
Cheers
Richard.
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| Mark Parnell 2004-01-11, 10:29 pm |
| On Fri, 9 Jan 2004 13:54:40 -0300, Chris Harris declared in
alt.html.critique:quote:
>
> http://www.rba.org.fk
Nothing others haven't already said, except that the forum pages don't
seem to fit with the rest of the site. I immediately got lost without
the top navigation, and the colours are completely different.
The site looks nice though. :-)
--
Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au
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| Mark Parnell 2004-01-11, 10:29 pm |
| On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 03:30:11 GMT, Farlo declared in alt.html.critique:quote:
>
> That's not the issue. On YOUR window with YOUR setting, didn't you notice
> anything odd or jarring?
> How
> CAN
> I
> make
> this
> clear?
I, too have no idea what you are talking about. I do not see anything on
the site that looks at all like the above. A screenshot *would* be
helpful.
--
Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au
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| Chris Harris 2004-01-11, 10:29 pm |
| quote:
> Nothing others haven't already said, except that the forum pages don't
> seem to fit with the rest of the site. I immediately got lost without
> the top navigation, and the colours are completely different.
>
> The site looks nice though. :-)
>
The forum is a concern. It is an off-the-shelf freebie, YaBB. It is
customisable, and I had one go at it using the colours that I have used
on the rest of the site, but it looked terrible so I left at the default
for the moment. Will be putting in the top navigation so that at least
that part will look like part of the site.
Chris
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