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Knight Productions

2003-12-23, 7:28 am

this is a syndicated program i run, currently on holiday break, be sure to
take a minute to listen to the program.

http://www.newworldorderofrock.tk

West

2003-12-23, 8:28 am

"Knight Productions" <nwor@knightproductions.net> wrote in message
news:vug6hjfps60uae@corp.supernews.com...

quote:

> this is a syndicated program i run, currently on holiday break, be sure to
> take a minute to listen to the program.
>
> http://www.newworldorderofrock.tk
>
>

oops! never associated rock music with dullsville!
....how about some colour and visual "excitement"??

:-)

--
W

Andrew Cameron

2003-12-23, 9:29 am

"Knight Productions" <nwor@knightproductions.net> wrote in message
news:vug6hjfps60uae@corp.supernews.com...

quote:

> this is a syndicated program i run, currently on holiday break, be sure to
> take a minute to listen to the program.
>
> http://www.newworldorderofrock.tk

No doctype, invisible frames, huge logo that is way too big both in
bandwidth and in dimensions, tables for layout, and a pretty bland colour
scheme. Still better than your other effort, though.

--
Andrew Cameron
"Got my hand on my heart, I know no better location..."

artist

2003-12-23, 4:29 pm

Artist, the good little Microsoft drone heard "Knight Productions"
<nwor@knightproductions.net> say...

quote:

> this is a syndicated program i run, currently on holiday break, be
> sure to take a minute to listen to the program.
>
> http://www.newworldorderofrock.tk
>
>

http://www.practialdesigns.com/crit..._32bitcolor.png

Two things:

1.) Center alignment is formal. You use center alignment on boring
wedding announcements, or somber funeral announcements. Unless you are
sending this to your illiterate, pointed haired boss at work, center
alignment isn't for body copy. :p

2) I'm of the opinion that the page should not be filled. White space is
your friend. ;)

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Jeremy C. Morgan

2003-12-24, 7:28 am

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 04:33:51 -0600, "Knight Productions"
<nwor@knightproductions.net> wrote:

quote:

>this is a syndicated program i run, currently on holiday break, be sure to
>take a minute to listen to the program.
>
>http://www.newworldorderofrock.tk
>

The site looks good, but man, you gotta get a real domain. $8.95 at
godaddy.com. .tk domains really suck with search engines, they dont
provide enough information to get properly crawled by google and
others. Keep the .tk just for notoriety, but consider a .com, or .us
even.

:: Jeremy Morgan ::
Self Proclaimed Expert
Web Developer
http://www.jeremymorgan.com

Knight Productions

2003-12-25, 3:28 am

the actual site itself is a sub-domain of www.knightproductions.net

i chose .tk because i'm not 100% sure i'll keep the show running very long,
if it get's picked up by an FM Station or goes to XM/sirius i'll consider
going to a .com domain.

"Jeremy C. Morgan" <jmorgan@cybcon.com> wrote in message
news:h1siuvoiibks0t4fks44umss3k2h2gt55q@4ax.com...

quote:

> On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 04:33:51 -0600, "Knight Productions"
> <nwor@knightproductions.net> wrote:
>
to[QUOTE][color=darkred]
>
> The site looks good, but man, you gotta get a real domain. $8.95 at
> godaddy.com. .tk domains really suck with search engines, they dont
> provide enough information to get properly crawled by google and
> others. Keep the .tk just for notoriety, but consider a .com, or .us
> even.
>
>
>
> :: Jeremy Morgan ::
> Self Proclaimed Expert
> Web Developer
> http://www.jeremymorgan.com
>

William Tasso

2003-12-25, 9:28 pm

Jeremy C. Morgan wrote:

quote:

> ...
>.tk domains really suck with search engines,

of course there is considerable research, not to mention corroboration by
owners of search engines that confirms this opinion. care to provide links
to some of it?

quote:

> they dont
> provide enough information to get properly crawled by google and
> others.

as opposed to what?

--
William Tasso - http://WilliamTasso.com

Duende

2003-12-26, 3:28 am

While sitting in a puddle William Tasso scribbled in the mud:

quote:

> Jeremy C. Morgan wrote:
>
> of course there is considerable research, not to mention corroboration
> by owners of search engines that confirms this opinion. care to
> provide links to some of it?
>
>
> as opposed to what?
>

spoiled apples. ;)

--
Duende
Some days it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps

Toby A Inkster

2003-12-29, 2:29 pm

Jeremy C. Morgan wrote:

quote:

> The site looks good, but man, you gotta get a real domain. $8.95 at
> godaddy.com. .tk domains really suck with search engines, they dont
> provide enough information to get properly crawled by google and
> others. Keep the .tk just for notoriety, but consider a .com, or .us
> even.

Huh? You talkin' crazy man!

Of course, unless Mr Productions is from the island of Tokelau, or the
content relates to Tokelau in some way, I would recommend a different
domain name.

--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me - http://www.goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/?page=132

Jeremy C. Morgan

2004-01-04, 6:29 pm

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 01:20:34 -0000, "William Tasso"
<news27@tbdata.com> wrote:

quote:

>Jeremy C. Morgan wrote:
>
>of course there is considerable research, not to mention corroboration by
>owners of search engines that confirms this opinion. care to provide links
>to some of it?
>

I hate to be the one to tell you, but search engines view pages
entirely different than humans do.

You don't need any research, only common sense. Do a "view source" on
his .tk domain, and you get this:

*************
<html>

<head>
<title>The New World Order of Rock</title>
<meta name="description" content="new radio show the new world
order of rock">
<meta name="keywords" content="Radio">

<script language = "JavaScript">

</script>

</head>

<frameset onLoad="java script:popup()" rows="*,1" framespacing="0"
border="0" frameborder="NO">
<frame src="http://www.knightproductions.net/NWOR/nworindex.html"
name="dot_tk_frame_content" scrolling="auto" noresize>
</frameset>

<noframes>
<body>
</body>
</noframes>

</html>

***********

Search engines, especially google, index you based on your site's
content. I dont know about you, but I dont see much of his content in
the above source. Google works around this at times, but most of the
time, it only crawls what it sees from the http request.

Do a veiw source on his .net domain, and you'll see considerably more
of the content he has going on his page. This is basic SEO
information.

quote:

>
>as opposed to what?

:: Jeremy Morgan ::
Self Proclaimed Expert
Web Developer
http://webfootcentral.jeremymorgan.com

Toby A Inkster

2004-01-04, 7:29 pm

Jeremy C. Morgan wrote:

quote:

> You don't need any research, only common sense. Do a "view source" on
> his .tk domain, and you get this:

That is caused by the fact that he's using frames: nothing to do with his
domain name.

--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me - http://www.goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/?page=132

Jeremy C. Morgan

2004-01-04, 10:29 pm

On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 22:49:43 +0000, Toby A Inkster
<UseTheAddressInMySig@deadspam.com> wrote:

quote:

>That is caused by the fact that he's using frames: nothing to do with his
>domain name.

Actually, it has everything to do with the domain name, Take a search
of (free) .tk domains, and view the source, you will see that they all
load into a frame like that, which is my point. Its how they put the
popups in.

By loading this way, tk domains don't allow you to put your metatags
in, or the actual content of the site, because thier frame page loads,
and not all crawlers will operate properly in this environment.

If you pay for the .tk domain, they use standard DNS resolution,
making it identical to any other domain. But if you use the free
version, it actually loads your site into a frame.

:: Jeremy Morgan ::
Self Proclaimed Expert
Web Developer
http://www.webfootcentral.com

Toby A Inkster

2004-01-05, 3:29 am

Jeremy C. Morgan wrote:

quote:

> On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 22:49:43 +0000, Toby A Inkster
> <UseTheAddressInMySig@deadspam.com> wrote:
>
>
> you will see that they all
> load into a frame like that, which is my point. Its how they put the
> popups in.

You mean like this?
http://www.xasa.tk/

No frames!

quote:

> If you pay for the .tk domain, they use standard DNS resolution,
> making it identical to any other domain. But if you use the free
> version, it actually loads your site into a frame.

Ditto with the cheap domain registration at uk2.net, but does that mean
that all .com, .net, .org, .co.uk, .ltd.uk, .plc.uk, .org.uk, .me.uk, etc
domains are bad for search engines?

Don't confuse crappy registrars with TLDs.

--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
Contact Me - http://www.goddamn.co.uk/tobyink/?page=132

Jeremy C. Morgan

2004-01-05, 11:28 pm

On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 07:25:06 +0000, Toby A Inkster
<UseTheAddressInMySig@deadspam.com> wrote:

quote:

>Jeremy C. Morgan wrote:
>
>
>You mean like this?
>http://www.xasa.tk/
>
>No frames!

Read Below:

quote:

>

Read the entire post. This is why I dont argue with people on usenet.
They are more concerned with the argument than the facts involved. I
was trying to help this person, and you want it turn it into a petty
flame war, and you're doing a shitty job. You are wrong, face it.
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
>
>Ditto with the cheap domain registration at uk2.net, but does that mean
>that all .com, .net, .org, .co.uk, .ltd.uk, .plc.uk, .org.uk, .me.uk, etc
>domains are bad for search engines?
>

quote:

>Don't confuse crappy registrars with TLDs.

How many registrars give out the .tk domain? Ok.

Take my word for it. I have been explaining in circles here:

1. if you pay for a tk, its the same as any other domain as far as
search engines are concerned. When you PAY for it.

2. If you do the "free" .tk, your site loads into a frame. This is so
they can load popups. And it does not perform as well in search
engines. I explained why in a previous post:

Crawlers use http responses, therefore they dont see the same thing
you see in the browser. If they crawl your site, they MIGHT crawl each
page referenced in the frame, and even if they do, its not going to
help the pagerank of that particular page, because people are linking
to the .tk frames page, not the page containing the actual content.

Do I really have to explain how pagerank works in conjuction with the
actual content of the page, and how rankings are displayed, just to
satisfy your interrogation?

or maybe you could do us all a favor and make a better attempt at
proving me wrong. ( I still haven't figured out why you are trying so
hard to do that, I'm helping someone here.).

:: Jeremy Morgan ::
Self Proclaimed Expert
Web Developer
http://www.webfootcentral.com

Toby A Inkster

2004-01-06, 4:28 am

Jeremy C. Morgan wrote:

quote:

> Toby A Inkster wrote:
> How many registrars give out the .tk domain? Ok.

There are two on the first page of results for a Google search: .tk
registrar.

http://www.pontotk.tk/
http://www.dot.tk/

And I've also found

http://www.dotz.tk/

There are probably more still.

My point is that Google doesn't give a shit about whether your domain ends
with .tk, .fk or .uk. As long as the name resolves and has an HTTP server
running on tcp/80, Google can index it.

Frames *do* effect Google's algorithms, but the .tk ccTLD mandates frames
no more than .fk or .uk do.

quote:

> I still haven't figured out why you are trying so hard to do that, I'm
> helping someone here.

How are you helping?

| The site looks good, but man, you gotta get a real domain.

So the OP goes out and gets a similar crappy framed redirection from a
..com registrar. How does that help?

--
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artist

2004-01-06, 5:30 pm

Artist, the good little Microsoft drone heard Toby A Inkster
<UseTheAddressInMySig@deadspam.com> say...

quote:

> Jeremy C. Morgan wrote:
>
> There are two on the first page of results for a Google search: .tk
> registrar.
>
> http://www.pontotk.tk/
> http://www.dot.tk/

How intresting! The site for the DotTK site is pleasing to look at, and
the concept behind it is cool too. If i'm reading right, some
enterprising individual is offering low and no cost domain names. I
assume the money they collect will be used by the indigenous peoples when
they need to deal with the outside world.

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"Neither hope nor fear" - Isabella d'Este
"For to do either is to fall to the beast" - Joseph Richmond
"The Cow Kings a Bastard! Long live the Cow King!" - Joseph Richmond

Brian

2004-01-23, 8:30 pm

Jeremy C. Morgan wrote:

quote:

>
> This is why I dont argue with people on usenet.
> They are more concerned with the argument than the facts involved. I
> was trying to help this person,

Well, you did a bad job of explaining yourself the first time; it's no
wonder Toby Inkster is disputing your claims.

quote:

> 1. if you pay for a tk, its the same as any other domain as far as
> search engines are concerned. When you PAY for it
>
> 2. If you do the "free" .tk, your site loads into a frame. This is so
> they can load popups. And it does not perform as well in search
> engines

Fine. But that says something quite different than your first post in
this thread.

<quote>
The site looks good, but man, you gotta get a real domain. $8.95 at
godaddy.com. .tk domains really suck with search engines, they dont
provide enough information to get properly crawled by google and
others. Keep the .tk just for notoriety, but consider a .com, or .us
even.
</quote>

No mention that the op could just as easily pay for a .tk domain to
solve his problem. No description of the problem -- frames, js, etc.
-- at all. And no distinction between the problem (frames etc) and the
domain.

quote:

> Do I really have to explain how pagerank works in conjuction with the
> actual content of the page, and how rankings are displayed, just to
> satisfy your interrogation?

Not to satisfy him. But the op might find it useful.

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