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| Nico Schuyt 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
| http://www.nicoschuyt.nl/test/ontwerp3.htm
OK, a basic design for a site of my own :-) Your comments are appreciated.
At least (;-) one problem: In Opera7 the hover images don't show immediately
(a preload with 1px images didn't solve it)
Nico
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| Eric Bohlman 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
| "Nico Schuyt" <nschuyt@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3fbbd1cd$0$56493$1b62eedf@news.wanadoo.nl:
quote:
> http://www.nicoschuyt.nl/test/ontwerp3.htm
> OK, a basic design for a site of my own :-) Your comments are
> appreciated. At least (;-) one problem: In Opera7 the hover images
> don't show immediately (a preload with 1px images didn't solve it)
The image at the top left overlaps your main header. If I narrow the
window, the menu items on the left start overlapping the main content. I
don't like the look of the fadeout effect on the box around your main
header, nor the faint "rainbow" background in the menu area.
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| kchayka 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
| Nico Schuyt wrote:
quote:
> http://www.nicoschuyt.nl/test/ontwerp3.htm
When I scroll down, the links in the footer overlay the content. The
left column overlays the content, too. Try looking at this in a
smallish window (<800px wide) and larger text size.
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| Nico Schuyt 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
| Eric Bohlman wrote:quote:
> Nico Schuyt wrote
quote:
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
> The image at the top left overlaps your main header. If I narrow the
> window, the menu items on the left start overlapping the main
> content.
About the overlap on window resize, I started with a design where the
contentbox has a left margin (21ex) and the menu box has a width of 20ex and
floats left of the content box.
Problem there was an overlap of content and menu after View->text-zoom->50%
in Mozilla. But perhaps that is to be preferred to the problems in a
narrowed window.
quote:
> I don't like the look of the fadeout effect on the box
> around your main header,
That dissapoints me :-(
quote:
> nor the faint "rainbow" background in the
> menu area.
Ehhh, that very faint brown to gray gradient can hardly be expressed as
"rainbow".
Do you have a better suggestion for the background?
Thanks for the critique!
Regards, Nico
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| Nico Schuyt 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
| kchayka wrote:quote:
> Nico Schuyt wrote:
quote:
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
> When I scroll down, the links in the footer overlay the content.
Ahhh, I see. Only in Mozilla. I'll fix that.
quote:
> The left column overlays the content, too.
> Try looking at this in a smallish window
> (<800px wide) and larger text size.
I'll apply the first version (that one only gave an overlap of menu and
content in text-size 50% in Mozilla)
Did you notice any delay in display of the pictures on hovering the main
menu?
Thanks! Nico
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| Bonnie Granat 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
|
"Nico Schuyt" <nschuyt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3fbbe351$0$56502$1b62eedf@news.wanadoo.nl...quote:
> kchayka wrote:
>
>
>
> Ahhh, I see. Only in Mozilla. I'll fix that.
>
>
> I'll apply the first version (that one only gave an overlap of menu and
> content in text-size 50% in Mozilla)
>
> Did you notice any delay in display of the pictures on hovering the main
> menu?
>
> Thanks! Nico
>
>
Funny. Same behavior as with my page, but when I leave the page and come
back, it works fine. Very nice-looking, Nico. Beautiful, in fact.
--
Bonnie Granat
http://www.granatedit.com
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| Nico Schuyt 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
| Bonnie Granat wrote:quote:
> Nico Schuyt wrote
quote:
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
> Funny. Same behavior as with my page, but when I leave the page and
> come back, it works fine.
Ahhh, I was affraid of that. Stil have no explanation for your (and now my)
problem.
quote:
> Very nice-looking, Nico. Beautiful, in fact.
Thanks Bonnie, that makes my day :-)
Cheers, Nico
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| Nico Schuyt 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
| Nico Schuyt wrote:quote:
> http://www.nicoschuyt.nl/test/ontwerp3.htm
> OK, a basic design for a site of my own :-) Your comments are
> appreciated. At least (;-) one problem: In Opera7 the hover images
> don't show immediately (a preload with 1px images didn't solve it)
After the first crushing critiques I swithed back to a former version:
http://www.nicoschuyt.nl/test/ontwerp2a.htm
Hope this one is better :-)
Nico
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|
| Nico Schuyt wrote:
quote:
> http://www.nicoschuyt.nl/test/ontwerp3.htm
>
>
I like it lots, Nico. I particularly like the look of the fadeout
effect on the box around your main header, and the faint "rainbow"
background in the menu area.
;-)
T.
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| Bonnie Granat 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
|
"Terry" <terry_pidduck@redwin.ch> wrote in message
news:3fbbf3cf$1_1@news.bluewin.ch...quote:
> Nico Schuyt wrote:
>
>
> I like it lots, Nico. I particularly like the look of the fadeout
> effect on the box around your main header, and the faint "rainbow"
> background in the menu area.
>
> ;-)
>
Rainbow? I see very cool shading from darker to lighter from the left edge
inward, but do you literally mean "rainbow," as in red, yellow, blue, green,
violet? I don't see that in Netscape or IE.
In Opera, the images in menu items 2, 4, 5, and 6 work perfectly, but 1, 2,
and 3 have the same problem I encountered in IE. No rainbow here either. ; )
--
Bonnie Granat
http://www.granatedit.com
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| Nico Schuyt 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
| Terry wrote:quote:
> Nico Schuyt wrote:
quote:
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
> I like it lots, Nico. I particularly like the look of the fadeout
> effect on the box around your main header, and the faint "rainbow"
> background in the menu area. ;-)
Thanks Terry!
Nico
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| Nico Schuyt 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
| Bonnie Granat wrote:quote:
> Terry wrote in message
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
> Rainbow? I see very cool shading from darker to lighter from the left
> edge inward, but do you literally mean "rainbow," as in red, yellow,
> blue, green, violet? I don't see that in Netscape or IE.
Hehehe, he was just referring to the comments of Eric Bohlman above :-)
quote:
> In Opera, the images in menu items 2, 4, 5, and 6 work perfectly, but
> 1, 2, and 3 have the same problem I encountered in IE.
I'm not so sure it's the same problem you have.
In Opera, when the page is opened or after cleaning the cache
(File->Preferences->History and cache->Empty disk cache), the hover images
don't show. After refresh (and sometimes after clicking somewhere on the
page) the images show. When Opera is closed and started again with the page
everything is normal.
If I understand you correctly, you had the problem every time in
http://www.granatedit.com
BTW, did your clear the cache in IE?
Nico
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| Nico Schuyt 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
| Farlo wrote:quote:
> Nico Schuyt wrote:
quote:
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
> Pretty nice except for some spacing.
The comment about spacing applies to the version on
http://www.nicoschuyt.nl/test/ontwerp2a.htm too?
Nico
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| Bonnie Granat 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
|
"Nico Schuyt" <nschuyt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3fbc120e$0$56495$1b62eedf@news.wanadoo.nl...quote:
> Bonnie Granat wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hehehe, he was just referring to the comments of Eric Bohlman above :-)
>
LOL.
quote:
>
> I'm not so sure it's the same problem you have.
> In Opera, when the page is opened or after cleaning the cache
> (File->Preferences->History and cache->Empty disk cache), the hover images
> don't show. After refresh (and sometimes after clicking somewhere on the
> page) the images show. When Opera is closed and started again with the
pagequote:
> everything is normal.
> If I understand you correctly, you had the problem every time in
> http://www.granatedit.com
> BTW, did your clear the cache in IE?
> Nico
>
>
I manually cleared the cache. Still no go. ; (
B.
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| Nico Schuyt 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
| Bonnie Granat wrote:quote:
> Nico Schuyt wrote
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
> I manually cleared the cache. Still no go. ; (
OK, think I solved it:
- Clear the cache in Opera
- Open http://www.nicoschuyt.nl/test/ontwerp2a.htm
- All hover images should show up
Nico
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| Bonnie Granat 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
|
"Nico Schuyt" <nschuyt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3fbc120e$0$56495$1b62eedf@news.wanadoo.nl...quote:
> Bonnie Granat wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hehehe, he was just referring to the comments of Eric Bohlman above :-)
>
>
> I'm not so sure it's the same problem you have.
> In Opera, when the page is opened or after cleaning the cache
> (File->Preferences->History and cache->Empty disk cache), the hover images
> don't show. After refresh (and sometimes after clicking somewhere on the
> page) the images show. When Opera is closed and started again with the
pagequote:
> everything is normal.
> If I understand you correctly, you had the problem every time in
> http://www.granatedit.com
> BTW, did your clear the cache in IE?
> Nico
>
>
Yup. Works fine. ; )
--
Bonnie Granat
http://www.granatedit.com
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| Nico Schuyt 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
| Bonnie Granat wrote:quote:
> Nico Schuyt wrote:
quote:
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
> Yup. Works fine. ; )
Ehhh, 50 minutes ago your reply to the same question was:
"I manually cleared the cache. Still no go. ; ("
Nico :-)
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| Bonnie Granat 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
|
"Nico Schuyt" <nschuyt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3fbc29f2$0$56509$1b62eedf@news.wanadoo.nl...quote:
> Bonnie Granat wrote:
>
>
>
> Ehhh, 50 minutes ago your reply to the same question was:
> "I manually cleared the cache. Still no go. ; ("
>
That was IE. For Opera, I cleared the cache and closed and reopened Opera.
Seems a lot to go through, and most people won't.
On my page I get no hover effects in anything but IE.
--
Bonnie Granat
http://www.granatedit.com
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| Nico Schuyt 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
| Bonnie Granat wrote:quote:
> Nico Schuyt wrote
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
> That was IE. For Opera, I cleared the cache and closed and reopened
> Opera. Seems a lot to go through, and most people won't.
You're referring to my message where I described a solution with preload in
js?
In that case there is no need for visitors to do that. It was just a way to
illustrate the solution works when a page is loaded for the very first time
(nothing in cache)
I'll be surprised (and disappointed) when you still have problems in Opera
with http://www.nicoschuyt.nl/test/ontwerp2a.htm (even with cleared cache)
quote:
> On my page I get no hover effects in anything but IE.
Corrupt program? So far noone else reported the problem.
Post it as a question in alt.html.
gr. Nico
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| Nico Schuyt 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
| Farlo wrote:quote:
> "Nico Schuyt" <nschuyt@hotmail.com> wrote:
quote:
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
> No, spacing there is okay.
Will this be my first perfect site ? :-)
Nico
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| Bonnie Granat 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
|
"Nico Schuyt" <nschuyt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3fbc33e2$0$56495$1b62eedf@news.wanadoo.nl...quote:
> Bonnie Granat wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> You're referring to my message where I described a solution with preload
inquote:
> js?
> In that case there is no need for visitors to do that. It was just a way
toquote:
> illustrate the solution works when a page is loaded for the very first
timequote:
> (nothing in cache)
> I'll be surprised (and disappointed) when you still have problems in Opera
> with http://www.nicoschuyt.nl/test/ontwerp2a.htm (even with cleared cache)
No, as I said before, it works fine now, but I did have to restart Opera
after clearing the cache.
quote:
>
>
> Corrupt program? So far noone else reported the problem.
> Post it as a question in alt.html.
>
> gr. Nico
>
>
I suppose my IE could be corrupted. I don't know that I want to get involved
with uninstalling it and installing another version, so I may just live with
it.
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| Bonnie Granat 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
|
"Bonnie Granat" <bgranat@granatedit.com> wrote in message
news:3fbc369d@andromeda.5sc.net...quote:
>
> "Nico Schuyt" <nschuyt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3fbc33e2$0$56495$1b62eedf@news.wanadoo.nl...
> in
> to
> time
Opera[QUOTE][color=darkred]
cache)[QUOTE][color=darkred]
>
> No, as I said before, it works fine now, but I did have to restart Opera
> after clearing the cache.
>
>
> I suppose my IE could be corrupted. I don't know that I want to get
involvedquote:
> with uninstalling it and installing another version, so I may just live
withquote:
> it.
>
Maybe I should replace it.... <sigh>
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| "Nico Schuyt" <nschuyt@hotmail.com> wrote:
quote:
> Will this be my first perfect site ? :-)
No.
--
Farlo, the Urban Fey Dragon
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| Beauregard T. Shagnasty 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
| Quoth the raven named Bonnie Granat:
quote:
> That was IE. For Opera, I cleared the cache and closed and reopened Opera.
> Seems a lot to go through, and most people won't.
You can't ask a visitor to do that... <g>
quote:
> On my page I get no hover effects in anything but IE.
That's because you don't have any hover code set for your:
a.menutext {
background-color: transparent;
color: Black;
text-decoration: none;
text-transform: uppercase;
font-family: "Arial Rounded MT Bold";
font-size: 70%;
letter-spacing: 2px;
line-height: 100%;
}
a.menutext needs a hover setting. I pointed this out to you about a
week ago, and you never responded to my post.
a.menutext link { }
a.menutext hover { } ...
IE probably shows the hover because it's broken.
--
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-This space intentionally left blank.
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| Bonnie Granat 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
|
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:BhYub.127075$ZC4.52605@twister.nyroc.rr.com...quote:
> Quoth the raven named Bonnie Granat:
>
Opera.[QUOTE][color=darkred]
>
> You can't ask a visitor to do that... <g>
>
>
> That's because you don't have any hover code set for your:
>
> a.menutext {
>
> background-color: transparent;
> color: Black;
> text-decoration: none;
> text-transform: uppercase;
> font-family: "Arial Rounded MT Bold";
> font-size: 70%;
> letter-spacing: 2px;
> line-height: 100%;
> }
>
> a.menutext needs a hover setting. I pointed this out to you about a
> week ago, and you never responded to my post.
>
> a.menutext link { }
> a.menutext hover { } ...
>
> IE probably shows the hover because it's broken.
>
> --
> -bts
> -This space intentionally left blank.
>
Oh, I thought I responded. I added the hover style, but it didn't solve the
image disappearing problem. I appreciated the suggestion. ; )
--
Bonnie Granat
http://www.granatedit.com
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| Mark Parnell 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
| Sometime around Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:28:01 GMT, Beauregard T. Shagnasty is
reported to have stated:quote:
>
> a.menutext link { }
> a.menutext hover { } ...
a.menutext:link { }
a.menutext:hover { } ...
;-)
--
Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au
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| Bonnie Granat 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
|
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.mous@example.invalid> wrote in message
news:BhYub.127075$ZC4.52605@twister.nyroc.rr.com...quote:
> Quoth the raven named Bonnie Granat:
>
Opera.[QUOTE][color=darkred]
>
> You can't ask a visitor to do that... <g>
>
>
> That's because you don't have any hover code set for your:
>
> a.menutext {
>
> background-color: transparent;
> color: Black;
> text-decoration: none;
> text-transform: uppercase;
> font-family: "Arial Rounded MT Bold";
> font-size: 70%;
> letter-spacing: 2px;
> line-height: 100%;
> }
>
> a.menutext needs a hover setting. I pointed this out to you about a
> week ago, and you never responded to my post.
>
> a.menutext link { }
> a.menutext hover { } ...
>
> IE probably shows the hover because it's broken.
>
> --
> -bts
> -This space intentionally left blank.
>
I added it back in again, but the dots disappear and then appear. The
problem may turn out to be my browser though. Evidently nobody but me is
having this problem, but I still don't feel confident in putting up the site
with the background gif just yet.
I'm investigating getting another coy of the browser.
Bonnie
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| Beauregard T. Shagnasty 2003-12-03, 7:28 pm |
| Quoth the raven named Mark Parnell:
quote:
> Sometime around Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:28:01 GMT, Beauregard T. Shagnasty is
> reported to have stated:
>
>
>
> a.menutext:link { }
> a.menutext:hover { } ...
>
> ;-)
Yeah, something like that. <g> I used the
colon { display: none; }
--
-bts
-This space intentionally left blank.
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| picayunish 2003-12-03, 7:29 pm |
| Nico Schuyt wrote in news:3fbc12c7$0$56505$1b62eedf@news.wanadoo.nl:quote:
>
> http://www.nicoschuyt.nl/test/ontwerp2a.htm ?
Sorry I have to say it. Use <Hx> for the title instead of <p>.
Why so many <div class="menuitem">'s instead of unordered list.
When I hover for the first time on the menu items. I don't see the hover
effect accept the background image (Opera 7).
With IE 6 there is about 1em space between the first menu image and the
logo.
Although the lay-out looks promising.
--
Edwin van der Vaart
http://www.semi-conductor.nl/ Links to Semiconductors sites
http://www.evandervaart.nl/ Underconstruction
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| Nico Schuyt 2003-12-03, 7:29 pm |
| picayunish wrote:quote:
> Nico Schuyt wrote >>
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
> Sorry I have to say it. Use <Hx> for the title instead of <p>.
Because the text "Nico Schuyt WebTechnologie" is not so important.
quote:
> Why so many <div class="menuitem">'s instead of unordered list.
Can you point me to an example of such a menu with a list?
quote:
> When I hover for the first time on the menu items. I don't see the
> hover effect accept the background image (Opera 7).
Just tested it again for the 130th time: cleared the cache in Opera, loaded
the page and, voila, all the pictures.
Which version do you use.
quote:
> With IE 6 there is about 1em space between the first menu image and
> the logo.
OK, I'll look at that.
quote:
> Although the lay-out looks promising.
Thanks :-)
Nico
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| picayunish 2003-12-03, 7:29 pm |
| Nico Schuyt wrote in news:3fbd2575$0$56492$1b62eedf@news.wanadoo.nl:quote:
> picayunish wrote:
>
> Because the text "Nico Schuyt WebTechnologie" is not so important.
Then why not using h6 with font-size: xx;
quote:
> Can you point me to an example of such a menu with a list?
Almost perfect, only not with IE6.
http://www.evandervaart.nl/ontwerp2a.htm
quote:
>
> Just tested it again for the 130th time: cleared the cache in Opera,
> loaded the page and, voila, all the pictures.
> Which version do you use.
Version 7.0
Build 2345
Platform Win32
System Windows 2000
--
Edwin van der Vaart
http://www.semi-conductor.nl/ Links to Semiconductors sites
http://www.evandervaart.nl/ Underconstruction
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| Nico Schuyt 2003-12-03, 7:29 pm |
| picayunish wrote:quote:
> Nico Schuyt wrote
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
> Then why not using h6 with font-size: xx;
Well, I could of course but what's the advantage? Besides the headers should
reflect the document structure:
H1
H2
H3
H3
H2
H3
etc
It's a bit confusing perhaps to start with a H6 :-)
quote:
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
> Almost perfect, only not with IE6.
> http://www.evandervaart.nl/ontwerp2a.htm
That's about 98.32998% of my visitors :-)
You mean the difference in the distance between the menu items? Same problem
in Opera 8
I'm impressed however by your technique!
I saved the coding. Not sure however if I follow your advice. It's even more
complex than my solution and I'm affraid I won't get it right.
I think my next step is getting rid of the menu box (the solution of Eric
Bednarz in alt.html)
quote:
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
[QUOTE][color=darkred]
> Version 7.0
I use version 7.2
Is the problem concerning hover images not showing solved in your solution
with lists?
Cheers, Nico
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| Nico Schuyt 2003-12-03, 7:29 pm |
| picayunish wrote:quote:
> Almost perfect, only not with IE6.
> http://www.evandervaart.nl/ontwerp2a.htm
The idea of using a list was too attractive to let it go :-)
I started from scratch and ended in something with less coding that renders
perfectly in IE6, Moz1.4 and Opera7.2 *and* accepts a strict doctype:
http://www.nicoschuyt.nl/test/ontwerp4.php
Thanks again for your assistance!
Nico
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| picayunish 2003-12-03, 7:29 pm |
| Nico Schuyt wrote in news:3fbdef7a$0$203$1b62eedf@news.euronet.nl:quote:
> picayunish wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Well, I could of course but what's the advantage? Besides the headers
> should reflect the document structure:
> H1
> H2
> H3
> H3
> H2
> H3
> etc
> It's a bit confusing perhaps to start with a H6 :-)
Yeah, I know it's confusing to start with H6.
It was only a thought of mine.
quote:
>
>
> That's about 98.32998% of my visitors :-)
> You mean the difference in the distance between the menu items? Same
> problem in Opera 8
> I'm impressed however by your technique!
Well thanx.
I lurk a lot, visit a lot of site and also I expirement a lot with coding /
techniques.
quote:
> I saved the coding. Not sure however if I follow your advice. It's even
> more complex than my solution and I'm affraid I won't get it right.
Each new approach / technique is complex e.g. writting our own database
with PHP.
quote:
> I think my next step is getting rid of the menu box (the solution of
> Eric Bednarz in alt.html)
>
>
>
>
> I use version 7.2
> Is the problem concerning hover images not showing solved in your
> solution with lists?
Uhhh, I don't know if it solved of not showig the images.
--
Edwin van der Vaart
http://www.semi-conductor.nl/ Links to Semiconductors sites
http://www.evandervaart.nl/ Underconstruction
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