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>I've been reading your comments, examples and suggestions,
>and I believe I have reached some degree of nirvana...
>or whatever...
>I've removed tables, quirks, gadjits & widgetorts...
>and managed to impliment some crude style and design... [;->
>
>If you might, please, spend a moment to check visual, acessibility,
>grammer, legibility, readability, spelling...
>a quick peek at the code... a glance at the CSS...
>(or whatever is your particular bag... jump on it)
>
>no need to be gentle, hell, tell it like you see it,
>I'm an old dog with thick hyde...
>
>http://www.xprt.net/~servitum
>
>come back,

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> http://www.xprt.net/~servitum

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> a quick peek at the code...

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> a quick peek at the code...

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>Why would I want to download Java if I have JavaScript disabled?

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>"Markus Tryner" <registration@aon.at> wrote in message
>news:pf9frvo8t48lbtjpk70f042tgeppi6h26p@4ax.com...
>Bagman wrote:
>
>
>Okay.
>
>| <noscript><p class=3D"quote">No Java? Get <a
>| href=3D"http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html" tabindex=3D"1"
>| accesskey=3D"j">Java</a> here, or use the 2nd link.<p></noscript>
>
>
>
>
>Why disable JavaScript?

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>"Markus Tryner" <registration@aon.at> wrote in message
>news:pf9frvo8t48lbtjpk70f042tgeppi6h26p@4ax.com...
>Bagman wrote:
>
>
>Okay.
>
>| <noscript><p class="quote">No Java? Get <a
>| href="http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html" tabindex="1"
>| accesskey="j">Java</a> here, or use the 2nd link.<p></noscript>
>
>
>
>
>Why disable JavaScript?

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>"Disabled" was not the keyword. I just cannot see any reason why one

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> West wrote:
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>
> "Disabled" was not the keyword. I just cannot see any reason why one
> would download _Java_ if one's user agent does not implement
> _JavaScript_ or has it disabled. You could as well give the visitor a
> link to download Macromedia Flash. The OP confuses Java with
> JavaScript.
>
> Markus

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> In message <opryqb5lujx4z3y9@news.xprt.net>, Bagman
> <bagman@nospam.gte.net> writes
>
> 'Accessible' page:
>
> (1) The verses should all have a punctuation mark of some kind set at
> the relevant points to ensure that words don't run into one another.
> 'Amazing Grace' is fine; the other one isn't.
>
> (2) The headings don't make much sense. Especially something like:
>
> <h1 style="color: black">IT</h1>
> <h1 style="color: black">IS</h1>
> <h1 style="color: black">DONE!</h1>
>
> This is 3 separate <H1> headings. Think tree structure; think
> navigation.
>
> (3) It would be nice to have a Contents list at the beginning of the
> page so that I could decide what I want to listen to.
>
> (4) Bagpipe music for <a href="../sounds/amazing_grace4.mid"
> tabindex="10" accesskey="y">"Amazing Grace"</a>
>
> will generate a link of [Amazing Grace] which doesn't make sense out of
> context (e.g. in a List of Links). You could change it to
>
> <a href="../sounds/amazing_grace4.mid" tabindex="10"
> accesskey="y">"Bagpipe music for Amazing Grace"</a>
>
> So that the link reads [Bagpipe music for Amazing Grace]
>
> However, there's still no real indication that this cause a midi-file to
> be downloaded, so I suggest that this area needs some re-thinking as to
> the clearest way to present it.
>
> ....... just a few thoughts.
>
> regards.
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> Bagman <bagman@nospam.gte.net> wrote:
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>
> Quote:
> "your screen resolution is 800x600. The pages may appear abnormal at this
> resolution. "
>
> Half of your visitors will get this queer message.
>
> --
> Farlo, the Urban Fey Dragon

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> a quick peek at the code...

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>Okay.

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>Why would I want to download Java if I have JavaScript disabled?

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>Markus

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> You are right, thanks Farlo...
> If I can't figure out what to say, best say nothing,
> else I look like an idiot?

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> ...
> So if you have JavaScript disabled, will the Java Clock still run?

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> Or is it possible to use one or the other, or none?

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>
> no need to be gentle, hell, tell it like you see it,
> I'm an old dog with thick hyde...
>
> http://www.xprt.net/~servitum
>

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> gmcclary wrote:
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> might do - if you have java installed and loaded
>
>
> yes, yes and yes
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> "gmcclary" <old*wet*dog@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
> Plus, you'd best fix whatever problems occur at 800x600 - or you will
> STILL
> look like a dummy when soemthing breaks.
>

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> Bagman wrote:
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> why two versions? ok, reading the thread - I know why. But I think you
> might serve your visitors better with one scalable, flexible, accessible
> version.
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> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 02:43:53 -0000, William Tasso <news27@tbdata.com>
> wrote:
>
> I'd appreciate your input on this....
> I think it is scalable now, as I've managed to be rid of the tables
> and fixed width stuff...

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> It seems like there is conflicting recomendations outthere...

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> I would much rather have to just maintain one set of pages.

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> However, I also want to serve up pages to text only or Aural
> visiters, and what I'd
> read (I thought) was that a page with GIF, JPG's and javascript ad
> infinitum needs a
> link to a text-only version....

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> Bagman wrote:
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> ok - seems like a good start.
>
>
> of course - welcome to the internet ;o)
>
>
> exactly.
>
>
> no - take a look using lynx (or another text only browser).
>
> Images are not downloaded - in their place you will find the alt text.
> Javascript is not executed
> CSS is ignored
>
> Liberating, ain't it ;o)
>
> --
> William Tasso - http://WilliamTasso.com
>
>

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