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> http://lankiveil.halo-17.net/crux/index.php
>
> Keep in mind that I'm not a web-designer, ...
>
> Okay, that's enough blathering from me, over to you. Remember, this
> is my first time, so please be gentle :-)

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> documents.

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>
> Since when? Wasn't XHTML going to "extend" HTML?
> If so, why isn't it recommended for new pages?
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> Not properly served? Or not properly supported by client browsers?

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> If you mean it's not properly served, then is it really harmful to write
> XHTML code anyway even if it ends up being served as HTML?
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> http://lankiveil.halo-17.net/crux/index.php
>
> Keep in mind that I'm not a web-designer, but people seem to have equated
> "decent Java programmer and server admin" with "can whip up decent
> webpages". Which is a horrible lie, but you know how the non-tech savvy
> are. Seems to work okay in IE, Mozilla, and Opera, but testing in any

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> browsers is great too.
>
> I know that there are a few naughty things in the code (like using the
> 'style' attribute a little too much, and also using fixed-size text), I'm
> going to phase them all out, but it was sadly essential to have a decent
> looking page first rather than taking the time to design everything

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> perfectly.
>
> Okay, that's enough blathering from me, over to you. Remember, this is my
> first time, so please be gentle :-)
>
>
>

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> do so on principle. It isn't HTML, so they don't like sending it as
> text/html. I tend to agree. :-)

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>
> Hmm fair enough - good points.
> I guess it's still good to know how to use it for the future so I'll keep

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> in my memory.
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> http://lankiveil.halo-17.net/crux/index.php, because I don't see your
> original post.

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> Cianan Delahunty wrote:
>
> XHTML - what's it for? HTML 4.01 strict is usually recommended for new

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> documents.
>
> Table - is completely unnecessary for this design
>
> You already know about the fixed size text, but the other issue is you've
> made it too small. Try this: body{font-size:100%;}
>
> Looking good.
>
> --
> William Tasso - http://WilliamTasso.com
>
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>
> Nah mate, it's not - I came in as soon as Will mentioned that coding
> in XHTML was a bad idea.

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> I have started making sites in XHTML 1.1
> Strict [just to stay ahead of the ball... so to speak].
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> "William Tasso" <news27@tbdata.com> wrote in message
> news:bnof09$13f8bi$1@ID-139074.news.uni-berlin.de...
> XHTML because... that's what everything else I read told me to use.
> Why is HTML 4.01 recommended over XHTML? I'll make the switch if
> necessary, but I want to be sure before I go changing things.
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> Table... it's actually more necessary than you think. Not only was
> it a royal pain to get everything to align properly using CSS only
> (If it worked in IE, it wouldn't work in Opera, and if it worked in
> Opera, it wouldn't work in IE), the only way to do it was to use
> fixed pixel-widths, which is a naughty thing that I wasn't prepared
> to do. The second reason is compatibility, it'll still look pretty
> bad in an ancient browser, but at least it'll work with the tables.

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>
> CSS suggestion... noted and implemented. Thanks :-)
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>
> http://lankiveil.halo-17.net/crux/index.php
>
> BAD NEWS:
> I think the basic idea is good, but the page has an *unbalanced* feel to it.

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> I recommend moving everything to the left.

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> The point that Will was making [as I understand it] is that there's no point
> writing in XHTML if it's not being served as it's proper file type (which I
> think is something like application/html+xml or something similar)

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> instead
> of text/html. And, even when served properly, some browsers get it wrong
> anyway (ie. IE... ha... that's funny).

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> Bonnie Granat wrote:
it.[QUOTE][color=darkred]
>
> It's ironic how you can see this in other sites, but not your own.
>
>
> You mean like this?
> <URL:http://accessat.c-net.us/screenshots/granat.png>
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> This is what it looks like in small type
> http://www.editors-writers.info/homepage.gif
> This is what it looks like in medium type
> http://www.editors-writers.info/homepagemed.gif
>
> I cannot accommodate large type in a small window.

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>
> "kchayka" <kcha-un-yka@sihope.com> wrote in message
> news:3fa14734$0$40218$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net...
> it.
>
> This is what it looks like in small type
> http://www.editors-writers.info/homepage.gif
> This is what it looks like in medium type
> http://www.editors-writers.info/homepagemed.gif
>
> I cannot accommodate large type in a small window.

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> Sometime around Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:29:28 -0500, Bonnie Granat is reported
> to have stated:
>
>
> At the risk of restarting your 15-updates-a-day thing again...
>
> http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au/usenet/bonnie.png [29k]
>
> Fullscreen at 1024x768, text size 100%.
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>
> "Mark Parnell" <webmaster@clarkecomputers.com.au> wrote in message
> news:hqexp0esvbia$.1nng8k7d0td69$.dlg@40tude.net...
>
> Sorry, that page does not exist!
> If the problem persists, please contact the webmaster with your problem,
> otherwise you can return to the main page: www.clarkecomputers.com.au.

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> Bonnie Granat wrote:
it.[QUOTE][color=darkred]
>
> It's ironic how you can see this in other sites, but not your own.
>
>
> You mean like this?
> <URL:http://accessat.c-net.us/screenshots/granat.png>
>

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> "kchayka" <kcha-un-yka@sihope.com> wrote in message
> news:3fa14734$0$40218$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net...
>
> See how it looks now,
> http://www.editors-writers.info

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> Bonnie Granat wrote:
>
> <URL:http://accessat.c-net.us/screenshots/granat2.png>
>
> It is only marginally better, regardless of text size. The problem is
> that the left column is too narrow and you are relying on IE's broken
> overflow behavior to make it look "good", at least in IE6 at your
> preferred resolution, text size and window size.
>
> IE erroneously stretches the width of the left column as needed to fit
> its content. Other browsers don't do this, and will constrain the
> column to a mere 10% of the window width because that's the size you
> specified in the stylesheet. The image and the long word
> "Developmental" spill out and start overlaying the content area. It
> simply looks worse at larger text sizes and/or smaller window sizes.
>
> The whole thing looks unbalanced because the specified sizes for the
> center column (width plus padding, border and left margin) leaves ~18%
> right margin. With a 13% left margin it is quite lop-sided. You don't
> notice this in IE because the broken overflow behavior makes the left
> column wider than it should be and shoves the center column left
> accordingly. Plus the larger the window, the less noticable this ~5%
> difference is.
>
> You have always strived to get something that looks good to you in IE6
> in your particular (peculiar) setup, to the exclusion of all others.

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> With every iteration of your site, you've been shown problems in other
> browsers, other text sizes, other window sizes, often why they are
> broken and how to fix them, yet these same things keep cropping up.
> This lop-sided content area is nothing new, I remember bringing it up
> before.
>
> You really aren't interested in this stuff, are you? I don't understand
> why you don't just let somebody else code the layout for you and be done
> with it. Actually, others have given you corrected code on numerous
> occassions, myself included. I don't get why you don't just take it and
> run.
>

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>
> "kchayka" <kcha-un-yka@sihope.com> wrote in message
> news:3fa26557$0$40210$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net...
>
> That is not an accurate statement.
>
>
>
> I thought I used one of the correct pages that someone offered. Sorry to
> bother you.

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>
> "kchayka" <kcha-un-yka@sihope.com> wrote in message
> news:3fa26557$0$40210$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net...

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>
> I thought I used one of the correct pages that someone offered. Sorry to
> bother you.
>
>
> --
> Bonnie Granat
> Granat Technical Editing and Writing
> http://www.editors-writers.info
>

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> "Bonnie Granat" <bgranat@editors-writers.info> wrote in message
> news:3fa29230@andromeda.5sc.net...
>
> <snip>
>
and[QUOTE][color=darkred]
>
> I've noticed, first about myself, then about others
> that writers, in particular, and creative people in general
> tend to think and feel of their creations as if they are children
> if someone then finds fault with our child, we are hurt...
>
> For me, I've found that if I give it some time
> to get beyond the pain
> then I can see the benefit to my child
>
> You can criticize the terminology,
> sentence structure and the grammar of others,
> can you not accept a little criticism?
>
> Your page needs correction
> can you hope to sell your service
> to those who see your page in a bad light?
>
> Glenn
>
>

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>
> "gmcclary" <gmcclary@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:vq6t54ogodoka6@corp.supernews.com...
is[QUOTE][color=darkred]
> and
to[QUOTE][color=darkred]
>
> I'm working on a new design...Thanks, Glenn, for writing.
> I'd considered that if the page broke down in a small window, it wasn't a
> big deal, because many site do the same thing. Besides, I have had other
> things to do. Now I can deal with it. I thought, though, that if it looked
> okay at 45% of full window size, that was good enough. I guess this is
> wrong, eh?
>
> --
> Bonnie Granat
> Granat Technical Editing and Writing
> http://www.editors-writers.info
>

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> "kchayka" <kcha-un-yka@sihope.com> wrote in message
> news:3fa26557$0$40210$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net...
>
> That is not an accurate statement.

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> I thought I used one of the correct pages that someone offered.

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