Microsoft Publisher - Layout problems

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Layout problems

Andy Jordan

2007-06-12, 6:17 pm

I am having problems with text layout on my site. In Publisher the main text
box ends at the bottom of the text and then has the bottom menu bar /
additional boxes immediately below it. However when I publish to the web I
get an area of 'white space' below the text - I have checked the html
(although I am no expert) and the size / positioning / font size all seems
the same, and opening the html with something like NVu suggests that the box
is the right size, but the text is wrong.

This is backed up by the fact that the more text that appears on a page, the
bigger the amount of space. It's a bit hard to explain, but hopefully some
examples will help:

http://www.roffensian.com - the home page has a small amount of space that
shouldn't be there - underneath the word President and before the horizontal
line.

http://www.roffensian.com/index_files/Page581.htm - has much more text and
the space is much larger - below evolution and above the horizontal line.

Can anyone suggest why this is happening?

Thanks,

Andy

Don Schmidt

2007-06-12, 6:17 pm

Both look very good here; I'm using Outlook Express 6.

--
Don
Vancouver, USA

"Andy Jordan" <AndyJordan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8C3A2963-543F-4600-8E2C-22794D399D89@microsoft.com...
>I am having problems with text layout on my site. In Publisher the main
>text
> box ends at the bottom of the text and then has the bottom menu bar /
> additional boxes immediately below it. However when I publish to the web
> I
> get an area of 'white space' below the text - I have checked the html
> (although I am no expert) and the size / positioning / font size all seems
> the same, and opening the html with something like NVu suggests that the
> box
> is the right size, but the text is wrong.
>
> This is backed up by the fact that the more text that appears on a page,
> the
> bigger the amount of space. It's a bit hard to explain, but hopefully
> some
> examples will help:
>
> http://www.roffensian.com - the home page has a small amount of space that
> shouldn't be there - underneath the word President and before the
> horizontal
> line.
>
> http://www.roffensian.com/index_files/Page581.htm - has much more text and
> the space is much larger - below evolution and above the horizontal line.
>
> Can anyone suggest why this is happening?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy
>

Mike Koewler

2007-06-12, 6:17 pm

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Andy,

What font size are you using and what kind of character/line spacing?

Mike

Andy Jordan wrote:
> I am having problems with text layout on my site. In Publisher the main text
> box ends at the bottom of the text and then has the bottom menu bar /
> additional boxes immediately below it. However when I publish to the web I
> get an area of 'white space' below the text - I have checked the html
> (although I am no expert) and the size / positioning / font size all seems
> the same, and opening the html with something like NVu suggests that the box
> is the right size, but the text is wrong.
>
> This is backed up by the fact that the more text that appears on a page, the
> bigger the amount of space. It's a bit hard to explain, but hopefully some
> examples will help:
>
> http://www.roffensian.com - the home page has a small amount of space that
> shouldn't be there - underneath the word President and before the horizontal
> line.
>
> http://www.roffensian.com/index_files/Page581.htm - has much more text and
> the space is much larger - below evolution and above the horizontal line.
>
> Can anyone suggest why this is happening?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy
>

Andy Jordan

2007-06-12, 10:16 pm

Mike,

The font is Times New Roman 11, character spacing is Normal / 0 point with
kerning at 14point or above.

Line spacing is 114% with 9 point between paragraphs.

Thanks,

Andy

"Mike Koewler" wrote:

> Andy,
>
> What font size are you using and what kind of character/line spacing?
>
> Mike
>
> Andy Jordan wrote:
>

Mike Koewler

2007-06-13, 3:15 am

Andy,

Have you tried changing the line spacing to 100 percent and checking it?
And instead of using 9 points between paragraphs just trying a simple
CR (an extra Enter)?

The web, by its nature, is simply not the same as paper publishing.
That's one of the problems using a program that is designed for DTP as a
web design program. You can do it, but there are differences!

Mike

Andy Jordan wrote:[color=darkred]
> Mike,
>
> The font is Times New Roman 11, character spacing is Normal / 0 point with
> kerning at 14point or above.
>
> Line spacing is 114% with 9 point between paragraphs.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andy
>
> "Mike Koewler" wrote:
>
>

DavidF

2007-06-13, 3:15 am

He might also use either a 10 pt or a 12 pt font for his text. This is
another print format option, that does not convert to html well. While the
Publisher document shows a text size of 11, it downsizes the 11 pt font to
10 when you produce the html. If you use 13, it would be reduced to 12.

I would suggest change the font size to 12 and do a web page preview, and
see if you like that size vs. 10. (My olderer eyes prefer 12, but that's
me.) Then resize the text box to accommodate size 10 or 12, adjust the
layout, and do a web preview.

DavidF

"Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:de7cc$466f5447$42a1f80a$20618@FUSE.NET...[color=darkred]
> Andy,
>
> Have you tried changing the line spacing to 100 percent and checking it?
> And instead of using 9 points between paragraphs just trying a simple CR
> (an extra Enter)?
>
> The web, by its nature, is simply not the same as paper publishing. That's
> one of the problems using a program that is designed for DTP as a web
> design program. You can do it, but there are differences!
>
> Mike
>
> Andy Jordan wrote:

Andy Jordan

2007-06-13, 6:19 pm

Tried all of those - 12 point, 0 point spacing between paragraphs with an
additional carriage return, 100% / 1 line spacing. It would never work to
publish because 1 line spacing is too compressed - it overlaps capitals and
characters with tails (g, p, y, etc).

It doesn't make any noticeable difference - the space seemed slightly
smaller, but nothing significant. I can confirm it's definitely something
related to the font though - the word wrap on the preview is different from
the word wrap in preview - i.e. more characters per line in web preview than
in Publisher.

I guess that I can solve the problem by deliberately overlapping the text
boxes in Publisher until they look right on hte web, but it seems a rather
amateur fix.

Andy

"DavidF" wrote:

> He might also use either a 10 pt or a 12 pt font for his text. This is
> another print format option, that does not convert to html well. While the
> Publisher document shows a text size of 11, it downsizes the 11 pt font to
> 10 when you produce the html. If you use 13, it would be reduced to 12.
>
> I would suggest change the font size to 12 and do a web page preview, and
> see if you like that size vs. 10. (My olderer eyes prefer 12, but that's
> me.) Then resize the text box to accommodate size 10 or 12, adjust the
> layout, and do a web preview.
>
> DavidF
>
> "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
> news:de7cc$466f5447$42a1f80a$20618@FUSE.NET...
>
>
>

DavidF

2007-06-13, 6:20 pm

Ah so...word wrap. That is another print only feature that does not work in
Pub 2003 web pages. Find a way to work around that...perhaps using multiple
text boxes, and perhaps you will get your solution. But...it is a fact that
Publisher will downsize the odd number font sizes, so plan accordingly.

DavidF

"Andy Jordan" <AndyJordan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:230CD965-05AF-41CB-9FF1-8DA0CDC13E27@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
> Tried all of those - 12 point, 0 point spacing between paragraphs with an
> additional carriage return, 100% / 1 line spacing. It would never work to
> publish because 1 line spacing is too compressed - it overlaps capitals
> and
> characters with tails (g, p, y, etc).
>
> It doesn't make any noticeable difference - the space seemed slightly
> smaller, but nothing significant. I can confirm it's definitely something
> related to the font though - the word wrap on the preview is different
> from
> the word wrap in preview - i.e. more characters per line in web preview
> than
> in Publisher.
>
> I guess that I can solve the problem by deliberately overlapping the text
> boxes in Publisher until they look right on hte web, but it seems a rather
> amateur fix.
>
> Andy
>
> "DavidF" wrote:
>