Microsoft Publisher - Directing hyperlinks to a different frame, not page

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Directing hyperlinks to a different frame, not page

skygodtj

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Hello all,

I searched thru the question base but can find no answer that will work.

I have a page with three Frames. Frame A is a menu of buttons on left side
of page. I want button hyperlinks in A to open in main body Frame C. Right
now hyperlinks open in menu frame A. Using Add external hyperlink does not
work as I can not assign the external hyperlink to the menu button. I even
tried editing the published html link with Notepad to direct it to the other
frame but that didnt work either.

My only work-around now is a plain, non-publisher html menu with no graphic
buttons, just text... not good. Simply, how can I get Frame A link to open
in Frame C?

Thanks,

TJ

DavidF

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

I am not sure I totally understand what you are asking, but it sounds like
you want to use framing, and there is no built in support for framing in
Publisher. Publisher is designed to produce static web pages, not dynamic.
If you want dynamic, then you should probably look to another program. You
should also note that webots supposedly have a hard time with frames, so
their use has fallen out of favor...from what I have read.

The navbar wizard is only designed to build links to other pages in your
publication, not different pages within your page. You could always use
small images or icons, and then insert the hyperlink that works in your
textual links...

You might read over the thread "Scrollable Area" by brelade on 1/20/07. In
that thread there is a discussion about the use of iframes, and perhaps that
is what you want. However, the iframe content can not be controlled by the
wizard built navbar either.

Also, if you are asking about anchor links, these can be used in Publisher
to direct the viewer to other parts of the page...

If I totally missed your question, please post back.

DavidF

"skygodtj" <skygodtj@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2418CD45-C543-4AA7-8982-D70F03421C8F@microsoft.com...
> Hello all,
>
> I searched thru the question base but can find no answer that will work.
>
> I have a page with three Frames. Frame A is a menu of buttons on left
> side
> of page. I want button hyperlinks in A to open in main body Frame C.
> Right
> now hyperlinks open in menu frame A. Using Add external hyperlink does
> not
> work as I can not assign the external hyperlink to the menu button. I
> even
> tried editing the published html link with Notepad to direct it to the
> other
> frame but that didnt work either.
>
> My only work-around now is a plain, non-publisher html menu with no
> graphic
> buttons, just text... not good. Simply, how can I get Frame A link to
> open
> in Frame C?
>
> Thanks,
>
> TJ

Mike Koewler

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

TJ,

A long workaround, but it should work. You will need to create the
buttons using either text or images. Say the first one is News. You
create a hyperlink to it with the target frameC. Something like:
<a href="http:www.yourwebsite.com/news.htm" target="ifrmC"> You need an
absolute link (I think), not just the news.htm.
Next, you will need to create a page called news.htm. It needs to be
narrow enough to fit in the iframe (you will also need to name that
iframe "ifrmC"). As I understand it, Pub does not allow different size
web pages in the same file, so you will need to open a new file, create
that page and be sure to change its name to news.htm

You repeat the process for each link you want. It's probably a good idea
to have a default page appear in the iframe when the page is loaded.

One thing to keep in mind - the ultimate goal of a web page is to appeal
to the viewer, not show off the designer's skills. Having three frames
on one page (1 per column) is not going to make for easy viewing. What
is becoming far more popular is to open a link in a new window.

Mike

skygodtj wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I searched thru the question base but can find no answer that will work.
>
> I have a page with three Frames. Frame A is a menu of buttons on left side
> of page. I want button hyperlinks in A to open in main body Frame C. Right
> now hyperlinks open in menu frame A. Using Add external hyperlink does not
> work as I can not assign the external hyperlink to the menu button. I even
> tried editing the published html link with Notepad to direct it to the other
> frame but that didnt work either.
>
> My only work-around now is a plain, non-publisher html menu with no graphic
> buttons, just text... not good. Simply, how can I get Frame A link to open
> in Frame C?
>
> Thanks,
>
> TJ

DavidF

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Mike,

Thanks for posting this workaround and for the information in the brelade
thread. I had been trying to incorporate an iframe, or some other way, of
importing a slide show into a Publisher page, and had given up finding a
code snippet that worked for me. The brelade thread, and perhaps this one,
now gives me the information I needed to import a JAlbum generated slide
show ;-). It also gives me another design idea that I will need to test
out...

But, I do wonder...do you know if webots can follow and index the text in
iframes? Are iframes different than "framing" a web page? As I said to the
OP, I have been under the impression that one should not use framing,
because the search engine webots won't/can't index those pages.

DavidF

"Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:da841$45b7fae4$422a96f4$12939@FUSE.NET...[color=darkred]
> TJ,
>
> A long workaround, but it should work. You will need to create the buttons
> using either text or images. Say the first one is News. You create a
> hyperlink to it with the target frameC. Something like:
> <a href="http:www.yourwebsite.com/news.htm" target="ifrmC"> You need an
> absolute link (I think), not just the news.htm.
> Next, you will need to create a page called news.htm. It needs to be
> narrow enough to fit in the iframe (you will also need to name that iframe
> "ifrmC"). As I understand it, Pub does not allow different size web pages
> in the same file, so you will need to open a new file, create that page
> and be sure to change its name to news.htm
>
> You repeat the process for each link you want. It's probably a good idea
> to have a default page appear in the iframe when the page is loaded.
>
> One thing to keep in mind - the ultimate goal of a web page is to appeal
> to the viewer, not show off the designer's skills. Having three frames on
> one page (1 per column) is not going to make for easy viewing. What is
> becoming far more popular is to open a link in a new window.
>
> Mike
>
> skygodtj wrote:
>

Rob Giordano $Crash$

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

iFrames are still frames

There's a zillion reasons not to use frames...

Google: "don't use frames"

:-)

"DavidF" <Nope@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OG88vCCQHHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| Mike,
|
| Thanks for posting this workaround and for the information in the brelade
| thread. I had been trying to incorporate an iframe, or some other way, of
| importing a slide show into a Publisher page, and had given up finding a
| code snippet that worked for me. The brelade thread, and perhaps this one,
| now gives me the information I needed to import a JAlbum generated slide
| show ;-). It also gives me another design idea that I will need to test
| out...
|
| But, I do wonder...do you know if webots can follow and index the text in
| iframes? Are iframes different than "framing" a web page? As I said to the
| OP, I have been under the impression that one should not use framing,
| because the search engine webots won't/can't index those pages.
|
| DavidF
|
| "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
| news:da841$45b7fae4$422a96f4$12939@FUSE.NET...
| > TJ,
| >
| > A long workaround, but it should work. You will need to create the
buttons
| > using either text or images. Say the first one is News. You create a
| > hyperlink to it with the target frameC. Something like:
| > <a href="http:www.yourwebsite.com/news.htm" target="ifrmC"> You need an
| > absolute link (I think), not just the news.htm.
| > Next, you will need to create a page called news.htm. It needs to be
| > narrow enough to fit in the iframe (you will also need to name that
iframe
| > "ifrmC"). As I understand it, Pub does not allow different size web
pages
| > in the same file, so you will need to open a new file, create that page
| > and be sure to change its name to news.htm
| >
| > You repeat the process for each link you want. It's probably a good idea
| > to have a default page appear in the iframe when the page is loaded.
| >
| > One thing to keep in mind - the ultimate goal of a web page is to appeal
| > to the viewer, not show off the designer's skills. Having three frames
on
| > one page (1 per column) is not going to make for easy viewing. What is
| > becoming far more popular is to open a link in a new window.
| >
| > Mike
| >
| > skygodtj wrote:
| >
| >> Hello all,
| >>
| >> I searched thru the question base but can find no answer that will
work.
| >> I have a page with three Frames. Frame A is a menu of buttons on left
| >> side of page. I want button hyperlinks in A to open in main body Frame
| >> C. Right now hyperlinks open in menu frame A. Using Add external
| >> hyperlink does not work as I can not assign the external hyperlink to
the
| >> menu button. I even tried editing the published html link with Notepad
| >> to direct it to the other frame but that didnt work either.
| >>
| >> My only work-around now is a plain, non-publisher html menu with no
| >> graphic buttons, just text... not good. Simply, how can I get Frame A
| >> link to open in Frame C?
| >>
| >> Thanks,
| >>
| >> TJ
|
|

DavidF

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Thanks, and good idea. Here is just one:
http://www.agnr.umd.edu/intranet/webtips/frames.html

What do you think about using a small iframe window on the page, for just a
slide show such as JAlbum? Is javascript is a better choice? Or?

DavidF

"Rob Giordano (Crash)" <webmaster@siriussystems.invalid> wrote in message
news:OC3UfZCQHHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> iFrames are still frames
>
> There's a zillion reasons not to use frames...
>
> Google: "don't use frames"
>
> :-)
>
>
>
> "DavidF" <Nope@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:OG88vCCQHHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | Mike,
> |
> | Thanks for posting this workaround and for the information in the
> brelade
> | thread. I had been trying to incorporate an iframe, or some other way,
> of
> | importing a slide show into a Publisher page, and had given up finding a
> | code snippet that worked for me. The brelade thread, and perhaps this
> one,
> | now gives me the information I needed to import a JAlbum generated slide
> | show ;-). It also gives me another design idea that I will need to test
> | out...
> |
> | But, I do wonder...do you know if webots can follow and index the text
> in
> | iframes? Are iframes different than "framing" a web page? As I said to
> the
> | OP, I have been under the impression that one should not use framing,
> | because the search engine webots won't/can't index those pages.
> |
> | DavidF
> |
> | "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
> | news:da841$45b7fae4$422a96f4$12939@FUSE.NET...
> | > TJ,
> | >
> | > A long workaround, but it should work. You will need to create the
> buttons
> | > using either text or images. Say the first one is News. You create a
> | > hyperlink to it with the target frameC. Something like:
> | > <a href="http:www.yourwebsite.com/news.htm" target="ifrmC"> You need
> an
> | > absolute link (I think), not just the news.htm.
> | > Next, you will need to create a page called news.htm. It needs to be
> | > narrow enough to fit in the iframe (you will also need to name that
> iframe
> | > "ifrmC"). As I understand it, Pub does not allow different size web
> pages
> | > in the same file, so you will need to open a new file, create that
> page
> | > and be sure to change its name to news.htm
> | >
> | > You repeat the process for each link you want. It's probably a good
> idea
> | > to have a default page appear in the iframe when the page is loaded.
> | >
> | > One thing to keep in mind - the ultimate goal of a web page is to
> appeal
> | > to the viewer, not show off the designer's skills. Having three frames
> on
> | > one page (1 per column) is not going to make for easy viewing. What is
> | > becoming far more popular is to open a link in a new window.
> | >
> | > Mike
> | >
> | > skygodtj wrote:
> | >
> | >> Hello all,
> | >>
> | >> I searched thru the question base but can find no answer that will
> work.
> | >> I have a page with three Frames. Frame A is a menu of buttons on
> left
> | >> side of page. I want button hyperlinks in A to open in main body
> Frame
> | >> C. Right now hyperlinks open in menu frame A. Using Add external
> | >> hyperlink does not work as I can not assign the external hyperlink to
> the
> | >> menu button. I even tried editing the published html link with
> Notepad
> | >> to direct it to the other frame but that didnt work either.
> | >>
> | >> My only work-around now is a plain, non-publisher html menu with no
> | >> graphic buttons, just text... not good. Simply, how can I get Frame
> A
> | >> link to open in Frame C?
> | >>
> | >> Thanks,
> | >>
> | >> TJ
> |
> |
>
>

Rob Giordano $Crash$

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Ah...U of Md

Much easier to make your JAlbum emulate your page design. Here's one I did
several years ago, if you back up the url you'll see it kinda matches other
pages. http://balletandfriends.org/bf_phot...ry_03/index.htm the site's
a mess right now...needs a total redo.

or Web Album Generator, or http://www.digitaldutch.com/arles/

Frames will give you a headache, they're bad for your eyes and they will
give you herpes...don't use them.

"DavidF" <Nope@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OVMKj%23CQHHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| Thanks, and good idea. Here is just one:
| http://www.agnr.umd.edu/intranet/webtips/frames.html
|
| What do you think about using a small iframe window on the page, for just
a
| slide show such as JAlbum? Is javascript is a better choice? Or?
|
| DavidF
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <webmaster@siriussystems.invalid> wrote in message
| news:OC3UfZCQHHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > iFrames are still frames
| >
| > There's a zillion reasons not to use frames...
| >
| > Google: "don't use frames"
| >
| > :-)
| >
| >
| >
| > "DavidF" <Nope@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > news:OG88vCCQHHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > | Mike,
| > |
| > | Thanks for posting this workaround and for the information in the
| > brelade
| > | thread. I had been trying to incorporate an iframe, or some other way,
| > of
| > | importing a slide show into a Publisher page, and had given up finding
a
| > | code snippet that worked for me. The brelade thread, and perhaps this
| > one,
| > | now gives me the information I needed to import a JAlbum generated
slide
| > | show ;-). It also gives me another design idea that I will need to
test
| > | out...
| > |
| > | But, I do wonder...do you know if webots can follow and index the text
| > in
| > | iframes? Are iframes different than "framing" a web page? As I said to
| > the
| > | OP, I have been under the impression that one should not use framing,
| > | because the search engine webots won't/can't index those pages.
| > |
| > | DavidF
| > |
| > | "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
| > | news:da841$45b7fae4$422a96f4$12939@FUSE.NET...
| > | > TJ,
| > | >
| > | > A long workaround, but it should work. You will need to create the
| > buttons
| > | > using either text or images. Say the first one is News. You create a
| > | > hyperlink to it with the target frameC. Something like:
| > | > <a href="http:www.yourwebsite.com/news.htm" target="ifrmC"> You
need
| > an
| > | > absolute link (I think), not just the news.htm.
| > | > Next, you will need to create a page called news.htm. It needs to be
| > | > narrow enough to fit in the iframe (you will also need to name that
| > iframe
| > | > "ifrmC"). As I understand it, Pub does not allow different size web
| > pages
| > | > in the same file, so you will need to open a new file, create that
| > page
| > | > and be sure to change its name to news.htm
| > | >
| > | > You repeat the process for each link you want. It's probably a good
| > idea
| > | > to have a default page appear in the iframe when the page is loaded.
| > | >
| > | > One thing to keep in mind - the ultimate goal of a web page is to
| > appeal
| > | > to the viewer, not show off the designer's skills. Having three
frames
| > on
| > | > one page (1 per column) is not going to make for easy viewing. What
is
| > | > becoming far more popular is to open a link in a new window.
| > | >
| > | > Mike
| > | >
| > | > skygodtj wrote:
| > | >
| > | >> Hello all,
| > | >>
| > | >> I searched thru the question base but can find no answer that will
| > work.
| > | >> I have a page with three Frames. Frame A is a menu of buttons on
| > left
| > | >> side of page. I want button hyperlinks in A to open in main body
| > Frame
| > | >> C. Right now hyperlinks open in menu frame A. Using Add external
| > | >> hyperlink does not work as I can not assign the external hyperlink
to
| > the
| > | >> menu button. I even tried editing the published html link with
| > Notepad
| > | >> to direct it to the other frame but that didnt work either.
| > | >>
| > | >> My only work-around now is a plain, non-publisher html menu with no
| > | >> graphic buttons, just text... not good. Simply, how can I get
Frame
| > A
| > | >> link to open in Frame C?
| > | >>
| > | >> Thanks,
| > | >>
| > | >> TJ
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

Mike Koewler

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

David,

It's not important if bots can follow frames or not - face it, they are
empty (at least iframes are!). Bots follow links on pages, so if you
have a link to "news.htm" in your nav bar (and it isn't javascript) the
bots will pick up "news.htm." They don't care where it points to -
what's the difference between opening in a new window, same window or
named frame? Even if the bot spiders "news.htm" it will search for links
in it, not in the frame.

Framesets may be different. I've seen the source code for some pages
that use them and their is nothing there, except for some meta data and
other crap.

Another exception is probably using an iframe to contain a RSS feed.
Because there's no link on your page, the bots cannot spider it.

The last point - who cares if a bot follows every single link on your
page? If something is so minor that it is only worth a frame's space,
will it be that important if Google misses it?

My theory is that if using a frame makes it easier for a visitor to get
the information you want to convey, who cares about getting a ranking of
45 in a google search? No one seems to go more than two pages deep on s
search results page.

Of course, YMMV!

Mike

DavidF wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Thanks for posting this workaround and for the information in the brelade
> thread. I had been trying to incorporate an iframe, or some other way, of
> importing a slide show into a Publisher page, and had given up finding a
> code snippet that worked for me. The brelade thread, and perhaps this one,
> now gives me the information I needed to import a JAlbum generated slide
> show ;-). It also gives me another design idea that I will need to test
> out...
>
> But, I do wonder...do you know if webots can follow and index the text in
> iframes? Are iframes different than "framing" a web page? As I said to the
> OP, I have been under the impression that one should not use framing,
> because the search engine webots won't/can't index those pages.
>
> DavidF
>
> "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
> news:da841$45b7fae4$422a96f4$12939@FUSE.NET...
>
>
>
>

DavidF

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Oh NO...I didn't find the herpes reference when I googled for "don't use
frames"...;-)

Thanks Rob. Interestingly, I have used the same JAlbum template.

DavidF

"Rob Giordano (Crash)" <webmaster@siriussystems.invalid> wrote in message
news:u2UGENDQHHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Ah...U of Md
>
> Much easier to make your JAlbum emulate your page design. Here's one I did
> several years ago, if you back up the url you'll see it kinda matches
> other
> pages. http://balletandfriends.org/bf_phot...ry_03/index.htm the
> site's
> a mess right now...needs a total redo.
>
> or Web Album Generator, or http://www.digitaldutch.com/arles/
>
> Frames will give you a headache, they're bad for your eyes and they will
> give you herpes...don't use them.
>
>
>
> "DavidF" <Nope@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:OVMKj%23CQHHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> | Thanks, and good idea. Here is just one:
> | http://www.agnr.umd.edu/intranet/webtips/frames.html
> |
> | What do you think about using a small iframe window on the page, for
> just
> a
> | slide show such as JAlbum? Is javascript is a better choice? Or?
> |
> | DavidF
> |
> | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <webmaster@siriussystems.invalid> wrote in
> message
> | news:OC3UfZCQHHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> | > iFrames are still frames
> | >
> | > There's a zillion reasons not to use frames...
> | >
> | > Google: "don't use frames"
> | >
> | > :-)
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | > "DavidF" <Nope@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > news:OG88vCCQHHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> | > | Mike,
> | > |
> | > | Thanks for posting this workaround and for the information in the
> | > brelade
> | > | thread. I had been trying to incorporate an iframe, or some other
> way,
> | > of
> | > | importing a slide show into a Publisher page, and had given up
> finding
> a
> | > | code snippet that worked for me. The brelade thread, and perhaps
> this
> | > one,
> | > | now gives me the information I needed to import a JAlbum generated
> slide
> | > | show ;-). It also gives me another design idea that I will need to
> test
> | > | out...
> | > |
> | > | But, I do wonder...do you know if webots can follow and index the
> text
> | > in
> | > | iframes? Are iframes different than "framing" a web page? As I said
> to
> | > the
> | > | OP, I have been under the impression that one should not use
> framing,
> | > | because the search engine webots won't/can't index those pages.
> | > |
> | > | DavidF
> | > |
> | > | "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
> | > | news:da841$45b7fae4$422a96f4$12939@FUSE.NET...
> | > | > TJ,
> | > | >
> | > | > A long workaround, but it should work. You will need to create the
> | > buttons
> | > | > using either text or images. Say the first one is News. You create
> a
> | > | > hyperlink to it with the target frameC. Something like:
> | > | > <a href="http:www.yourwebsite.com/news.htm" target="ifrmC"> You
> need
> | > an
> | > | > absolute link (I think), not just the news.htm.
> | > | > Next, you will need to create a page called news.htm. It needs to
> be
> | > | > narrow enough to fit in the iframe (you will also need to name
> that
> | > iframe
> | > | > "ifrmC"). As I understand it, Pub does not allow different size
> web
> | > pages
> | > | > in the same file, so you will need to open a new file, create that
> | > page
> | > | > and be sure to change its name to news.htm
> | > | >
> | > | > You repeat the process for each link you want. It's probably a
> good
> | > idea
> | > | > to have a default page appear in the iframe when the page is
> loaded.
> | > | >
> | > | > One thing to keep in mind - the ultimate goal of a web page is to
> | > appeal
> | > | > to the viewer, not show off the designer's skills. Having three
> frames
> | > on
> | > | > one page (1 per column) is not going to make for easy viewing.
> What
> is
> | > | > becoming far more popular is to open a link in a new window.
> | > | >
> | > | > Mike
> | > | >
> | > | > skygodtj wrote:
> | > | >
> | > | >> Hello all,
> | > | >>
> | > | >> I searched thru the question base but can find no answer that
> will
> | > work.
> | > | >> I have a page with three Frames. Frame A is a menu of buttons on
> | > left
> | > | >> side of page. I want button hyperlinks in A to open in main body
> | > Frame
> | > | >> C. Right now hyperlinks open in menu frame A. Using Add
> external
> | > | >> hyperlink does not work as I can not assign the external
> hyperlink
> to
> | > the
> | > | >> menu button. I even tried editing the published html link with
> | > Notepad
> | > | >> to direct it to the other frame but that didnt work either.
> | > | >>
> | > | >> My only work-around now is a plain, non-publisher html menu with
> no
> | > | >> graphic buttons, just text... not good. Simply, how can I get
> Frame
> | > A
> | > | >> link to open in Frame C?
> | > | >>
> | > | >> Thanks,
> | > | >>
> | > | >> TJ
> | > |
> | > |
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
>
>

DavidF

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Mike,

Thanks...makes sense.

DavidF

"Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:ad2d6$45b82953$422a96f4$10613@FUSE.NET...[color=darkred]
> David,
>
> It's not important if bots can follow frames or not - face it, they are
> empty (at least iframes are!). Bots follow links on pages, so if you have
> a link to "news.htm" in your nav bar (and it isn't javascript) the bots
> will pick up "news.htm." They don't care where it points to - what's the
> difference between opening in a new window, same window or named frame?
> Even if the bot spiders "news.htm" it will search for links in it, not in
> the frame.
>
> Framesets may be different. I've seen the source code for some pages that
> use them and their is nothing there, except for some meta data and other
> crap.
>
> Another exception is probably using an iframe to contain a RSS feed.
> Because there's no link on your page, the bots cannot spider it.
>
> The last point - who cares if a bot follows every single link on your
> page? If something is so minor that it is only worth a frame's space, will
> it be that important if Google misses it?
>
> My theory is that if using a frame makes it easier for a visitor to get
> the information you want to convey, who cares about getting a ranking of
> 45 in a google search? No one seems to go more than two pages deep on s
> search results page.
>
> Of course, YMMV!
>
> Mike
>
> DavidF wrote:

Rob Giordano $Crash$

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

It a very popular JAlbum template.

"DavidF" <Nope@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:OrGkWuIQHHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| Oh NO...I didn't find the herpes reference when I googled for "don't use
| frames"...;-)
|
| Thanks Rob. Interestingly, I have used the same JAlbum template.
|
| DavidF
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <webmaster@siriussystems.invalid> wrote in message
| news:u2UGENDQHHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > Ah...U of Md
| >
| > Much easier to make your JAlbum emulate your page design. Here's one I
did
| > several years ago, if you back up the url you'll see it kinda matches
| > other
| > pages. http://balletandfriends.org/bf_phot...ry_03/index.htm the
| > site's
| > a mess right now...needs a total redo.
| >
| > or Web Album Generator, or http://www.digitaldutch.com/arles/
| >
| > Frames will give you a headache, they're bad for your eyes and they will
| > give you herpes...don't use them.
| >
| >
| >
| > "DavidF" <Nope@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > news:OVMKj%23CQHHA.856@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| > | Thanks, and good idea. Here is just one:
| > | http://www.agnr.umd.edu/intranet/webtips/frames.html
| > |
| > | What do you think about using a small iframe window on the page, for
| > just
| > a
| > | slide show such as JAlbum? Is javascript is a better choice? Or?
| > |
| > | DavidF
| > |
| > | "Rob Giordano (Crash)" <webmaster@siriussystems.invalid> wrote in
| > message
| > | news:OC3UfZCQHHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
| > | > iFrames are still frames
| > | >
| > | > There's a zillion reasons not to use frames...
| > | >
| > | > Google: "don't use frames"
| > | >
| > | > :-)
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > "DavidF" <Nope@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > news:OG88vCCQHHA.1152@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > | > | Mike,
| > | > |
| > | > | Thanks for posting this workaround and for the information in the
| > | > brelade
| > | > | thread. I had been trying to incorporate an iframe, or some other
| > way,
| > | > of
| > | > | importing a slide show into a Publisher page, and had given up
| > finding
| > a
| > | > | code snippet that worked for me. The brelade thread, and perhaps
| > this
| > | > one,
| > | > | now gives me the information I needed to import a JAlbum generated
| > slide
| > | > | show ;-). It also gives me another design idea that I will need to
| > test
| > | > | out...
| > | > |
| > | > | But, I do wonder...do you know if webots can follow and index the
| > text
| > | > in
| > | > | iframes? Are iframes different than "framing" a web page? As I
said
| > to
| > | > the
| > | > | OP, I have been under the impression that one should not use
| > framing,
| > | > | because the search engine webots won't/can't index those pages.
| > | > |
| > | > | DavidF
| > | > |
| > | > | "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
| > | > | news:da841$45b7fae4$422a96f4$12939@FUSE.NET...
| > | > | > TJ,
| > | > | >
| > | > | > A long workaround, but it should work. You will need to create
the
| > | > buttons
| > | > | > using either text or images. Say the first one is News. You
create
| > a
| > | > | > hyperlink to it with the target frameC. Something like:
| > | > | > <a href="http:www.yourwebsite.com/news.htm" target="ifrmC"> You
| > need
| > | > an
| > | > | > absolute link (I think), not just the news.htm.
| > | > | > Next, you will need to create a page called news.htm. It needs
to
| > be
| > | > | > narrow enough to fit in the iframe (you will also need to name
| > that
| > | > iframe
| > | > | > "ifrmC"). As I understand it, Pub does not allow different size
| > web
| > | > pages
| > | > | > in the same file, so you will need to open a new file, create
that
| > | > page
| > | > | > and be sure to change its name to news.htm
| > | > | >
| > | > | > You repeat the process for each link you want. It's probably a
| > good
| > | > idea
| > | > | > to have a default page appear in the iframe when the page is
| > loaded.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > One thing to keep in mind - the ultimate goal of a web page is
to
| > | > appeal
| > | > | > to the viewer, not show off the designer's skills. Having three
| > frames
| > | > on
| > | > | > one page (1 per column) is not going to make for easy viewing.
| > What
| > is
| > | > | > becoming far more popular is to open a link in a new window.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Mike
| > | > | >
| > | > | > skygodtj wrote:
| > | > | >
| > | > | >> Hello all,
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> I searched thru the question base but can find no answer that
| > will
| > | > work.
| > | > | >> I have a page with three Frames. Frame A is a menu of buttons
on
| > | > left
| > | > | >> side of page. I want button hyperlinks in A to open in main
body
| > | > Frame
| > | > | >> C. Right now hyperlinks open in menu frame A. Using Add
| > external
| > | > | >> hyperlink does not work as I can not assign the external
| > hyperlink
| > to
| > | > the
| > | > | >> menu button. I even tried editing the published html link with
| > | > Notepad
| > | > | >> to direct it to the other frame but that didnt work either.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> My only work-around now is a plain, non-publisher html menu
with
| > no
| > | > | >> graphic buttons, just text... not good. Simply, how can I get
| > Frame
| > | > A
| > | > | >> link to open in Frame C?
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> Thanks,
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> TJ
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|

Rob Giordano $Crash$

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

The problem being of course is that a viewer follows a link provided from a
search and ends up with the loose frame with no easy way to find the rest of
the site...then of course there's the bookmarking and printing problem and
navigation problems.

"Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:ad2d6$45b82953$422a96f4$10613@FUSE.NET...
| David,
|
| It's not important if bots can follow frames or not - face it, they are
| empty (at least iframes are!). Bots follow links on pages, so if you
| have a link to "news.htm" in your nav bar (and it isn't javascript) the
| bots will pick up "news.htm." They don't care where it points to -
| what's the difference between opening in a new window, same window or
| named frame? Even if the bot spiders "news.htm" it will search for links
| in it, not in the frame.
|
| Framesets may be different. I've seen the source code for some pages
| that use them and their is nothing there, except for some meta data and
| other crap.
|
| Another exception is probably using an iframe to contain a RSS feed.
| Because there's no link on your page, the bots cannot spider it.
|
| The last point - who cares if a bot follows every single link on your
| page? If something is so minor that it is only worth a frame's space,
| will it be that important if Google misses it?
|
| My theory is that if using a frame makes it easier for a visitor to get
| the information you want to convey, who cares about getting a ranking of
| 45 in a google search? No one seems to go more than two pages deep on s
| search results page.
|
| Of course, YMMV!
|
| Mike
|
| DavidF wrote:
| > Mike,
| >
| > Thanks for posting this workaround and for the information in the
brelade
| > thread. I had been trying to incorporate an iframe, or some other way,
of
| > importing a slide show into a Publisher page, and had given up finding a
| > code snippet that worked for me. The brelade thread, and perhaps this
one,
| > now gives me the information I needed to import a JAlbum generated slide
| > show ;-). It also gives me another design idea that I will need to test
| > out...
| >
| > But, I do wonder...do you know if webots can follow and index the text
in
| > iframes? Are iframes different than "framing" a web page? As I said to
the
| > OP, I have been under the impression that one should not use framing,
| > because the search engine webots won't/can't index those pages.
| >
| > DavidF
| >
| > "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
| > news:da841$45b7fae4$422a96f4$12939@FUSE.NET...
| >
| >>TJ,
| >>
| >>A long workaround, but it should work. You will need to create the
buttons
| >>using either text or images. Say the first one is News. You create a
| >>hyperlink to it with the target frameC. Something like:
| >><a href="http:www.yourwebsite.com/news.htm" target="ifrmC"> You need an
| >>absolute link (I think), not just the news.htm.
| >>Next, you will need to create a page called news.htm. It needs to be
| >>narrow enough to fit in the iframe (you will also need to name that
iframe
| >>"ifrmC"). As I understand it, Pub does not allow different size web
pages
| >>in the same file, so you will need to open a new file, create that page
| >>and be sure to change its name to news.htm
| >>
| >>You repeat the process for each link you want. It's probably a good idea
| >>to have a default page appear in the iframe when the page is loaded.
| >>
| >>One thing to keep in mind - the ultimate goal of a web page is to appeal
| >>to the viewer, not show off the designer's skills. Having three frames
on
| >>one page (1 per column) is not going to make for easy viewing. What is
| >>becoming far more popular is to open a link in a new window.
| >>
| >>Mike
| >>
| >>skygodtj wrote:
| >>
| >>
| >>>Hello all,
| >>>
| >>>I searched thru the question base but can find no answer that will
work.
| >>>I have a page with three Frames. Frame A is a menu of buttons on left
| >>>side of page. I want button hyperlinks in A to open in main body Frame
| >>>C. Right now hyperlinks open in menu frame A. Using Add external
| >>>hyperlink does not work as I can not assign the external hyperlink to
the
| >>>menu button. I even tried editing the published html link with Notepad
| >>>to direct it to the other frame but that didnt work either.
| >>>
| >>>My only work-around now is a plain, non-publisher html menu with no
| >>>graphic buttons, just text... not good. Simply, how can I get Frame A
| >>>link to open in Frame C?
| >>>
| >>>Thanks,
| >>>
| >>>TJ
| >
| >
| >

Mike Koewler

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Rob,

Well, you lost me on this.
easy way to find the rest of the site... <<

Sort of destroys the idea that bots can't spider frames, huh! Besides,
the frame is going to be on a page, along with the nav bar and other
items. It's not an object floating like Pluto.

Mike

Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:[color=darkred]
> The problem being of course is that a viewer follows a link provided from a
> search and ends up with the loose frame with no easy way to find the rest of
> the site...then of course there's the bookmarking and printing problem and
> navigation problems.
>
>
>
> "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
> news:ad2d6$45b82953$422a96f4$10613@FUSE.NET...
> | David,
> |
> | It's not important if bots can follow frames or not - face it, they are
> | empty (at least iframes are!). Bots follow links on pages, so if you
> | have a link to "news.htm" in your nav bar (and it isn't javascript) the
> | bots will pick up "news.htm." They don't care where it points to -
> | what's the difference between opening in a new window, same window or
> | named frame? Even if the bot spiders "news.htm" it will search for links
> | in it, not in the frame.
> |
> | Framesets may be different. I've seen the source code for some pages
> | that use them and their is nothing there, except for some meta data and
> | other crap.
> |
> | Another exception is probably using an iframe to contain a RSS feed.
> | Because there's no link on your page, the bots cannot spider it.
> |
> | The last point - who cares if a bot follows every single link on your
> | page? If something is so minor that it is only worth a frame's space,
> | will it be that important if Google misses it?
> |
> | My theory is that if using a frame makes it easier for a visitor to get
> | the information you want to convey, who cares about getting a ranking of
> | 45 in a google search? No one seems to go more than two pages deep on s
> | search results page.
> |
> | Of course, YMMV!
> |
> | Mike
> |
> | DavidF wrote:
> | > Mike,
> | >
> | > Thanks for posting this workaround and for the information in the
> brelade
> | > thread. I had been trying to incorporate an iframe, or some other way,
> of
> | > importing a slide show into a Publisher page, and had given up finding a
> | > code snippet that worked for me. The brelade thread, and perhaps this
> one,
> | > now gives me the information I needed to import a JAlbum generated slide
> | > show ;-). It also gives me another design idea that I will need to test
> | > out...
> | >
> | > But, I do wonder...do you know if webots can follow and index the text
> in
> | > iframes? Are iframes different than "framing" a web page? As I said to
> the
> | > OP, I have been under the impression that one should not use framing,
> | > because the search engine webots won't/can't index those pages.
> | >
> | > DavidF
> | >
> | > "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
> | > news:da841$45b7fae4$422a96f4$12939@FUSE.NET...
> | >
> | >>TJ,
> | >>
> | >>A long workaround, but it should work. You will need to create the
> buttons
> | >>using either text or images. Say the first one is News. You create a
> | >>hyperlink to it with the target frameC. Something like:
> | >><a href="http:www.yourwebsite.com/news.htm" target="ifrmC"> You need an
> | >>absolute link (I think), not just the news.htm.
> | >>Next, you will need to create a page called news.htm. It needs to be
> | >>narrow enough to fit in the iframe (you will also need to name that
> iframe
> | >>"ifrmC"). As I understand it, Pub does not allow different size web
> pages
> | >>in the same file, so you will need to open a new file, create that page
> | >>and be sure to change its name to news.htm
> | >>
> | >>You repeat the process for each link you want. It's probably a good idea
> | >>to have a default page appear in the iframe when the page is loaded.
> | >>
> | >>One thing to keep in mind - the ultimate goal of a web page is to appeal
> | >>to the viewer, not show off the designer's skills. Having three frames
> on
> | >>one page (1 per column) is not going to make for easy viewing. What is
> | >>becoming far more popular is to open a link in a new window.
> | >>
> | >>Mike
> | >>
> | >>skygodtj wrote:
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>>Hello all,
> | >>>
> | >>>I searched thru the question base but can find no answer that will
> work.
> | >>>I have a page with three Frames. Frame A is a menu of buttons on left
> | >>>side of page. I want button hyperlinks in A to open in main body Frame
> | >>>C. Right now hyperlinks open in menu frame A. Using Add external
> | >>>hyperlink does not work as I can not assign the external hyperlink to
> the
> | >>>menu button. I even tried editing the published html link with Notepad
> | >>>to direct it to the other frame but that didnt work either.
> | >>>
> | >>>My only work-around now is a plain, non-publisher html menu with no
> | >>>graphic buttons, just text... not good. Simply, how can I get Frame A
> | >>>link to open in Frame C?
> | >>>
> | >>>Thanks,
> | >>>
> | >>>TJ
> | >
> | >
> | >
>
>

skygodtj

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

David,

I was doing .html by hand but started using Publisher for the
'little-more-complicated" pages, placing graphics, etc. Now I've been using
it for just about everything and know that yeah, it's really for DTP and not
web design.. that's what FrongPage's for ('and been looking for that on eBay
for the best prices..) anyway, MSP is good for what I am doing with it,
except the menu and frames.. but I figured the work-around, just make a
roll-your-own html page(menu) with graphic buttons to click on to pull up the
pages into the frames. I built it yesterday and it works well, just need to
smooth the buttons into better graphics.

Thanks for the help..

teege

"DavidF" wrote:

> I am not sure I totally understand what you are asking, but it sounds like
> you want to use framing, and there is no built in support for framing in
> Publisher. Publisher is designed to produce static web pages, not dynamic.
> If you want dynamic, then you should probably look to another program. You
> should also note that webots supposedly have a hard time with frames, so
> their use has fallen out of favor...from what I have read.
>
> The navbar wizard is only designed to build links to other pages in your
> publication, not different pages within your page. You could always use
> small images or icons, and then insert the hyperlink that works in your
> textual links...
>
> You might read over the thread "Scrollable Area" by brelade on 1/20/07. In
> that thread there is a discussion about the use of iframes, and perhaps that
> is what you want. However, the iframe content can not be controlled by the
> wizard built navbar either.
>
> Also, if you are asking about anchor links, these can be used in Publisher
> to direct the viewer to other parts of the page...
>
> If I totally missed your question, please post back.
>
> DavidF
>
> "skygodtj" <skygodtj@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:2418CD45-C543-4AA7-8982-D70F03421C8F@microsoft.com...
>
>
>

skygodtj

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Mike,

I figured out a work-around, but it sounds like I figured out what you came
up with.. I made a thin menu page(left side of screen)(frame A) with
graphics and absolute addresses (http://...) for the button, and finished
each with target="C"> and it works well as long as I dont use MSP to publish
it. As soon as I loaded it into MSP, the targeting disappeared, so it's
stick to roll-yer-own html for the menu and MSP for the individual pages. I
was using just target="C" instead of "iframe", that may have been part of the
problem.

As far as the frames go.. menu frame is on the left(A), top frame(B)is
really just a header, or mast for the name of the site, and the bottom
frame(C, biggest size) is for the body and target of the buttons. It's here
if you want to see what I was doing.. http://www.stthomasbcc.org. It doesnt
matter that webots cant find the nested pages, i dont need them to, just the
menu page which will load the frame index and the site comes up.

I started looking at FrontPage, for a number of reasons now, not the least
of which is addressing frames :) better graphics control, text manipulating,
scripting, etc.. just a lot better platform to use than MSP, Word, or even
-HORRORS!!!- Notepad :)

Thanks very much for the help and guidance.. the learning curve here is
nearly vertical :0

teege

"Mike Koewler" wrote:

> TJ,
>
> A long workaround, but it should work. You will need to create the
> buttons using either text or images. Say the first one is News. You
> create a hyperlink to it with the target frameC. Something like:
> <a href="http:www.yourwebsite.com/news.htm" target="ifrmC"> You need an
> absolute link (I think), not just the news.htm.
> Next, you will need to create a page called news.htm. It needs to be
> narrow enough to fit in the iframe (you will also need to name that
> iframe "ifrmC"). As I understand it, Pub does not allow different size
> web pages in the same file, so you will need to open a new file, create
> that page and be sure to change its name to news.htm
>
> You repeat the process for each link you want. It's probably a good idea
> to have a default page appear in the iframe when the page is loaded.
>
> One thing to keep in mind - the ultimate goal of a web page is to appeal
> to the viewer, not show off the designer's skills. Having three frames
> on one page (1 per column) is not going to make for easy viewing. What
> is becoming far more popular is to open a link in a new window.
>
> Mike
>
> skygodtj wrote:
>
>

Rob Giordano $Crash$

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

They are floating like Pluto, that's the point...they're parts of framed
pages.

"Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:8cb76$45b8cace$422a96f4$19519@FUSE.NET...
| Rob,
|
| Well, you lost me on this.
| >> link provided from a search and ends up with the loose frame with no
| easy way to find the rest of the site... <<
|
| Sort of destroys the idea that bots can't spider frames, huh! Besides,
| the frame is going to be on a page, along with the nav bar and other
| items. It's not an object floating like Pluto.
|
| Mike
|
| Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
| > The problem being of course is that a viewer follows a link provided
from a
| > search and ends up with the loose frame with no easy way to find the
rest of
| > the site...then of course there's the bookmarking and printing problem
and
| > navigation problems.
| >
| >
| >
| > "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
| > news:ad2d6$45b82953$422a96f4$10613@FUSE.NET...
| > | David,
| > |
| > | It's not important if bots can follow frames or not - face it, they
are
| > | empty (at least iframes are!). Bots follow links on pages, so if you
| > | have a link to "news.htm" in your nav bar (and it isn't javascript)
the
| > | bots will pick up "news.htm." They don't care where it points to -
| > | what's the difference between opening in a new window, same window or
| > | named frame? Even if the bot spiders "news.htm" it will search for
links
| > | in it, not in the frame.
| > |
| > | Framesets may be different. I've seen the source code for some pages
| > | that use them and their is nothing there, except for some meta data
and
| > | other crap.
| > |
| > | Another exception is probably using an iframe to contain a RSS feed.
| > | Because there's no link on your page, the bots cannot spider it.
| > |
| > | The last point - who cares if a bot follows every single link on your
| > | page? If something is so minor that it is only worth a frame's space,
| > | will it be that important if Google misses it?
| > |
| > | My theory is that if using a frame makes it easier for a visitor to
get
| > | the information you want to convey, who cares about getting a ranking
of
| > | 45 in a google search? No one seems to go more than two pages deep on
s
| > | search results page.
| > |
| > | Of course, YMMV!
| > |
| > | Mike
| > |
| > | DavidF wrote:
| > | > Mike,
| > | >
| > | > Thanks for posting this workaround and for the information in the
| > brelade
| > | > thread. I had been trying to incorporate an iframe, or some other
way,
| > of
| > | > importing a slide show into a Publisher page, and had given up
finding a
| > | > code snippet that worked for me. The brelade thread, and perhaps
this
| > one,
| > | > now gives me the information I needed to import a JAlbum generated
slide
| > | > show ;-). It also gives me another design idea that I will need to
test
| > | > out...
| > | >
| > | > But, I do wonder...do you know if webots can follow and index the
text
| > in
| > | > iframes? Are iframes different than "framing" a web page? As I said
to
| > the
| > | > OP, I have been under the impression that one should not use
framing,
| > | > because the search engine webots won't/can't index those pages.
| > | >
| > | > DavidF
| > | >
| > | > "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
| > | > news:da841$45b7fae4$422a96f4$12939@FUSE.NET...
| > | >
| > | >>TJ,
| > | >>
| > | >>A long workaround, but it should work. You will need to create the
| > buttons
| > | >>using either text or images. Say the first one is News. You create a
| > | >>hyperlink to it with the target frameC. Something like:
| > | >><a href="http:www.yourwebsite.com/news.htm" target="ifrmC"> You
need an
| > | >>absolute link (I think), not just the news.htm.
| > | >>Next, you will need to create a page called news.htm. It needs to be
| > | >>narrow enough to fit in the iframe (you will also need to name that
| > iframe
| > | >>"ifrmC"). As I understand it, Pub does not allow different size web
| > pages
| > | >>in the same file, so you will need to open a new file, create that
page
| > | >>and be sure to change its name to news.htm
| > | >>
| > | >>You repeat the process for each link you want. It's probably a good
idea
| > | >>to have a default page appear in the iframe when the page is loaded.
| > | >>
| > | >>One thing to keep in mind - the ultimate goal of a web page is to
appeal
| > | >>to the viewer, not show off the designer's skills. Having three
frames
| > on
| > | >>one page (1 per column) is not going to make for easy viewing. What
is
| > | >>becoming far more popular is to open a link in a new window.
| > | >>
| > | >>Mike
| > | >>
| > | >>skygodtj wrote:
| > | >>
| > | >>
| > | >>>Hello all,
| > | >>>
| > | >>>I searched thru the question base but can find no answer that will
| > work.
| > | >>>I have a page with three Frames. Frame A is a menu of buttons on
left
| > | >>>side of page. I want button hyperlinks in A to open in main body
Frame
| > | >>>C. Right now hyperlinks open in menu frame A. Using Add external
| > | >>>hyperlink does not work as I can not assign the external hyperlink
to
| > the
| > | >>>menu button. I even tried editing the published html link with
Notepad
| > | >>>to direct it to the other frame but that didnt work either.
| > | >>>
| > | >>>My only work-around now is a plain, non-publisher html menu with no
| > | >>>graphic buttons, just text... not good. Simply, how can I get
Frame A
| > | >>>link to open in Frame C?
| > | >>>
| > | >>>Thanks,
| > | >>>
| > | >>>TJ
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >

Mike Koewler

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

TJ,

A good start. A couple of things, though. Something has whacked up your
home page. It has an image in the middle of the text, actually
overlaying it. It doesn't look like it belongs there, perhaps an extra
page trying to display at the same time.

You need to make your main iframe a little smaller and leave a bit of
space between it and your left-side column. Not a lot, maybe a a pixel
or two.

Also, some of the pages displayed in the iframe are too wide to fit,
causing a horizontal scroll bar to appear. Most people try to avoid
these things if at all possible.

However, it looks like you've worked out the hard part, not it's just
tweaking it!

If you decide to move away from Pub, before you buy an old version of
FrontPage, take a look at Serif WebPlus 10. It's decently priced (Serif
always bargains with potential customers) and has a 30-day money back
guarantee. More importantly, it will do all the things on your site in
one file (you can have different size pages) and is still pretty much a
WYSIWYG editor, though you can incorporate html and PHP fragments in it.

Mike

skygodtj wrote:[color=darkred]
> Mike,
>
> I figured out a work-around, but it sounds like I figured out what you came
> up with.. I made a thin menu page(left side of screen)(frame A) with
> graphics and absolute addresses (http://...) for the button, and finished
> each with target="C"> and it works well as long as I dont use MSP to publish
> it. As soon as I loaded it into MSP, the targeting disappeared, so it's
> stick to roll-yer-own html for the menu and MSP for the individual pages. I
> was using just target="C" instead of "iframe", that may have been part of the
> problem.
>
> As far as the frames go.. menu frame is on the left(A), top frame(B)is
> really just a header, or mast for the name of the site, and the bottom
> frame(C, biggest size) is for the body and target of the buttons. It's here
> if you want to see what I was doing.. http://www.stthomasbcc.org. It doesnt
> matter that webots cant find the nested pages, i dont need them to, just the
> menu page which will load the frame index and the site comes up.
>
> I started looking at FrontPage, for a number of reasons now, not the least
> of which is addressing frames :) better graphics control, text manipulating,
> scripting, etc.. just a lot better platform to use than MSP, Word, or even
> -HORRORS!!!- Notepad :)
>
> Thanks very much for the help and guidance.. the learning curve here is
> nearly vertical :0
>
> teege
>
> "Mike Koewler" wrote:
>
>

Mike Koewler

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Rob,

No, they are not. The pages are not framed. Perhaps you have framesets
and iframes mixed up?

Mike

Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
[color=darkred]
> They are floating like Pluto, that's the point...they're parts of framed
> pages.
>
>
> "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
> news:8cb76$45b8cace$422a96f4$19519@FUSE.NET...
> | Rob,
> |
> | Well, you lost me on this.
> | >> link provided from a search and ends up with the loose frame with no
> | easy way to find the rest of the site... <<
> |
> | Sort of destroys the idea that bots can't spider frames, huh! Besides,
> | the frame is going to be on a page, along with the nav bar and other
> | items. It's not an object floating like Pluto.
> |
> | Mike
> |
> | Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
> | > The problem being of course is that a viewer follows a link provided
> from a
> | > search and ends up with the loose frame with no easy way to find the
> rest of
> | > the site...then of course there's the bookmarking and printing problem
> and
> | > navigation problems.
> | >
> | >
> | >
> | > "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
> | > news:ad2d6$45b82953$422a96f4$10613@FUSE.NET...
> | > | David,
> | > |
> | > | It's not important if bots can follow frames or not - face it, they
> are
> | > | empty (at least iframes are!). Bots follow links on pages, so if you
> | > | have a link to "news.htm" in your nav bar (and it isn't javascript)
> the
> | > | bots will pick up "news.htm." They don't care where it points to -
> | > | what's the difference between opening in a new window, same window or
> | > | named frame? Even if the bot spiders "news.htm" it will search for
> links
> | > | in it, not in the frame.
> | > |
> | > | Framesets may be different. I've seen the source code for some pages
> | > | that use them and their is nothing there, except for some meta data
> and
> | > | other crap.
> | > |
> | > | Another exception is probably using an iframe to contain a RSS feed.
> | > | Because there's no link on your page, the bots cannot spider it.
> | > |
> | > | The last point - who cares if a bot follows every single link on your
> | > | page? If something is so minor that it is only worth a frame's space,
> | > | will it be that important if Google misses it?
> | > |
> | > | My theory is that if using a frame makes it easier for a visitor to
> get
> | > | the information you want to convey, who cares about getting a ranking
> of
> | > | 45 in a google search? No one seems to go more than two pages deep on
> s
> | > | search results page.
> | > |
> | > | Of course, YMMV!
> | > |
> | > | Mike
> | > |
> | > | DavidF wrote:
> | > | > Mike,
> | > | >
> | > | > Thanks for posting this workaround and for the information in the
> | > brelade
> | > | > thread. I had been trying to incorporate an iframe, or some other
> way,
> | > of
> | > | > importing a slide show into a Publisher page, and had given up
> finding a
> | > | > code snippet that worked for me. The brelade thread, and perhaps
> this
> | > one,
> | > | > now gives me the information I needed to import a JAlbum generated
> slide
> | > | > show ;-). It also gives me another design idea that I will need to
> test
> | > | > out...
> | > | >
> | > | > But, I do wonder...do you know if webots can follow and index the
> text
> | > in
> | > | > iframes? Are iframes different than "framing" a web page? As I said
> to
> | > the
> | > | > OP, I have been under the impression that one should not use
> framing,
> | > | > because the search engine webots won't/can't index those pages.
> | > | >
> | > | > DavidF
> | > | >
> | > | > "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
> | > | > news:da841$45b7fae4$422a96f4$12939@FUSE.NET...
> | > | >
> | > | >>TJ,
> | > | >>
> | > | >>A long workaround, but it should work. You will need to create the
> | > buttons
> | > | >>using either text or images. Say the first one is News. You create a
> | > | >>hyperlink to it with the target frameC. Something like:
> | > | >><a href="http:www.yourwebsite.com/news.htm" target="ifrmC"> You
> need an
> | > | >>absolute link (I think), not just the news.htm.
> | > | >>Next, you will need to create a page called news.htm. It needs to be
> | > | >>narrow enough to fit in the iframe (you will also need to name that
> | > iframe
> | > | >>"ifrmC"). As I understand it, Pub does not allow different size web
> | > pages
> | > | >>in the same file, so you will need to open a new file, create that
> page
> | > | >>and be sure to change its name to news.htm
> | > | >>
> | > | >>You repeat the process for each link you want. It's probably a good
> idea
> | > | >>to have a default page appear in the iframe when the page is loaded.
> | > | >>
> | > | >>One thing to keep in mind - the ultimate goal of a web page is to
> appeal
> | > | >>to the viewer, not show off the designer's skills. Having three
> frames
> | > on
> | > | >>one page (1 per column) is not going to make for easy viewing. What
> is
> | > | >>becoming far more popular is to open a link in a new window.
> | > | >>
> | > | >>Mike
> | > | >>
> | > | >>skygodtj wrote:
> | > | >>
> | > | >>
> | > | >>>Hello all,
> | > | >>>
> | > | >>>I searched thru the question base but can find no answer that will
> | > work.
> | > | >>>I have a page with three Frames. Frame A is a menu of buttons on
> left
> | > | >>>side of page. I want button hyperlinks in A to open in main body
> Frame
> | > | >>>C. Right now hyperlinks open in menu frame A. Using Add external
> | > | >>>hyperlink does not work as I can not assign the external hyperlink
> to
> | > the
> | > | >>>menu button. I even tried editing the published html link with
> Notepad
> | > | >>>to direct it to the other frame but that didnt work either.
> | > | >>>
> | > | >>>My only work-around now is a plain, non-publisher html menu with no
> | > | >>>graphic buttons, just text... not good. Simply, how can I get
> Frame A
> | > | >>>link to open in Frame C?
> | > | >>>
> | > | >>>Thanks,
> | > | >>>
> | > | >>>TJ
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | >
> | >
>
>

Rob Giordano $Crash$

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Weren't we talking about framesets?
Sorry...but now I'm confusted.

"Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:81b3d$45ba0377$422a96f4$32533@FUSE.NET...
| Rob,
|
| >> they're parts of framed pages. <<
|
| No, they are not. The pages are not framed. Perhaps you have framesets
| and iframes mixed up?
|
| Mike
|
| Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
|
| > They are floating like Pluto, that's the point...they're parts of framed
| > pages.
| >
| >
| > "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
| > news:8cb76$45b8cace$422a96f4$19519@FUSE.NET...
| > | Rob,
| > |
| > | Well, you lost me on this.
| > | >> link provided from a search and ends up with the loose frame with
no
| > | easy way to find the rest of the site... <<
| > |
| > | Sort of destroys the idea that bots can't spider frames, huh! Besides,
| > | the frame is going to be on a page, along with the nav bar and other
| > | items. It's not an object floating like Pluto.
| > |
| > | Mike
| > |
| > | Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
| > | > The problem being of course is that a viewer follows a link provided
| > from a
| > | > search and ends up with the loose frame with no easy way to find the
| > rest of
| > | > the site...then of course there's the bookmarking and printing
problem
| > and
| > | > navigation problems.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
| > | > news:ad2d6$45b82953$422a96f4$10613@FUSE.NET...
| > | > | David,
| > | > |
| > | > | It's not important if bots can follow frames or not - face it,
they
| > are
| > | > | empty (at least iframes are!). Bots follow links on pages, so if
you
| > | > | have a link to "news.htm" in your nav bar (and it isn't
javascript)
| > the
| > | > | bots will pick up "news.htm." They don't care where it points to -
| > | > | what's the difference between opening in a new window, same window
or
| > | > | named frame? Even if the bot spiders "news.htm" it will search for
| > links
| > | > | in it, not in the frame.
| > | > |
| > | > | Framesets may be different. I've seen the source code for some
pages
| > | > | that use them and their is nothing there, except for some meta
data
| > and
| > | > | other crap.
| > | > |
| > | > | Another exception is probably using an iframe to contain a RSS
feed.
| > | > | Because there's no link on your page, the bots cannot spider it.
| > | > |
| > | > | The last point - who cares if a bot follows every single link on
your
| > | > | page? If something is so minor that it is only worth a frame's
space,
| > | > | will it be that important if Google misses it?
| > | > |
| > | > | My theory is that if using a frame makes it easier for a visitor
to
| > get
| > | > | the information you want to convey, who cares about getting a
ranking
| > of
| > | > | 45 in a google search? No one seems to go more than two pages deep
on
| > s
| > | > | search results page.
| > | > |
| > | > | Of course, YMMV!
| > | > |
| > | > | Mike
| > | > |
| > | > | DavidF wrote:
| > | > | > Mike,
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Thanks for posting this workaround and for the information in
the
| > | > brelade
| > | > | > thread. I had been trying to incorporate an iframe, or some
other
| > way,
| > | > of
| > | > | > importing a slide show into a Publisher page, and had given up
| > finding a
| > | > | > code snippet that worked for me. The brelade thread, and perhaps
| > this
| > | > one,
| > | > | > now gives me the information I needed to import a JAlbum
generated
| > slide
| > | > | > show ;-). It also gives me another design idea that I will need
to
| > test
| > | > | > out...
| > | > | >
| > | > | > But, I do wonder...do you know if webots can follow and index
the
| > text
| > | > in
| > | > | > iframes? Are iframes different than "framing" a web page? As I
said
| > to
| > | > the
| > | > | > OP, I have been under the impression that one should not use
| > framing,
| > | > | > because the search engine webots won't/can't index those pages.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > DavidF
| > | > | >
| > | > | > "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
| > | > | > news:da841$45b7fae4$422a96f4$12939@FUSE.NET...
| > | > | >
| > | > | >>TJ,
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>A long workaround, but it should work. You will need to create
the
| > | > buttons
| > | > | >>using either text or images. Say the first one is News. You
create a
| > | > | >>hyperlink to it with the target frameC. Something like:
| > | > | >><a href="http:www.yourwebsite.com/news.htm" target="ifrmC"> You
| > need an
| > | > | >>absolute link (I think), not just the news.htm.
| > | > | >>Next, you will need to create a page called news.htm. It needs
to be
| > | > | >>narrow enough to fit in the iframe (you will also need to name
that
| > | > iframe
| > | > | >>"ifrmC"). As I understand it, Pub does not allow different size
web
| > | > pages
| > | > | >>in the same file, so you will need to open a new file, create
that
| > page
| > | > | >>and be sure to change its name to news.htm
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>You repeat the process for each link you want. It's probably a
good
| > idea
| > | > | >>to have a default page appear in the iframe when the page is
loaded.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>One thing to keep in mind - the ultimate goal of a web page is
to
| > appeal
| > | > | >>to the viewer, not show off the designer's skills. Having three
| > frames
| > | > on
| > | > | >>one page (1 per column) is not going to make for easy viewing.
What
| > is
| > | > | >>becoming far more popular is to open a link in a new window.
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>Mike
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>skygodtj wrote:
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >>>Hello all,
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>>I searched thru the question base but can find no answer that
will
| > | > work.
| > | > | >>>I have a page with three Frames. Frame A is a menu of buttons
on
| > left
| > | > | >>>side of page. I want button hyperlinks in A to open in main
body
| > Frame
| > | > | >>>C. Right now hyperlinks open in menu frame A. Using Add
external
| > | > | >>>hyperlink does not work as I can not assign the external
hyperlink
| > to
| > | > the
| > | > | >>>menu button. I even tried editing the published html link with
| > Notepad
| > | > | >>>to direct it to the other frame but that didnt work either.
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>>My only work-around now is a plain, non-publisher html menu
with no
| > | > | >>>graphic buttons, just text... not good. Simply, how can I get
| > Frame A
| > | > | >>>link to open in Frame C?
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>>Thanks,
| > | > | >>>
| > | > | >>>TJ
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| >
| >

Rob Giordano $Crash$

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

....like you could end up like this; http://www.stthomasbcc.org/main.html

"Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:141c3$45b9fea2$422a96f4$28167@FUSE.NET...
| TJ,
|
| A good start. A couple of things, though. Something has whacked up your
| home page. It has an image in the middle of the text, actually
| overlaying it. It doesn't look like it belongs there, perhaps an extra
| page trying to display at the same time.
|
| You need to make your main iframe a little smaller and leave a bit of
| space between it and your left-side column. Not a lot, maybe a a pixel
| or two.
|
| Also, some of the pages displayed in the iframe are too wide to fit,
| causing a horizontal scroll bar to appear. Most people try to avoid
| these things if at all possible.
|
| However, it looks like you've worked out the hard part, not it's just
| tweaking it!
|
| If you decide to move away from Pub, before you buy an old version of
| FrontPage, take a look at Serif WebPlus 10. It's decently priced (Serif
| always bargains with potential customers) and has a 30-day money back
| guarantee. More importantly, it will do all the things on your site in
| one file (you can have different size pages) and is still pretty much a
| WYSIWYG editor, though you can incorporate html and PHP fragments in it.
|
| Mike
|
| skygodtj wrote:
| > Mike,
| >
| > I figured out a work-around, but it sounds like I figured out what you
came
| > up with.. I made a thin menu page(left side of screen)(frame A) with
| > graphics and absolute addresses (http://...) for the button, and
finished
| > each with target="C"> and it works well as long as I dont use MSP to
publish
| > it. As soon as I loaded it into MSP, the targeting disappeared, so it's
| > stick to roll-yer-own html for the menu and MSP for the individual
pages. I
| > was using just target="C" instead of "iframe", that may have been part
of the
| > problem.
| >
| > As far as the frames go.. menu frame is on the left(A), top frame(B)is
| > really just a header, or mast for the name of the site, and the bottom
| > frame(C, biggest size) is for the body and target of the buttons. It's
here
| > if you want to see what I was doing.. http://www.stthomasbcc.org. It
doesnt
| > matter that webots cant find the nested pages, i dont need them to, just
the
| > menu page which will load the frame index and the site comes up.
| >
| > I started looking at FrontPage, for a number of reasons now, not the
least
| > of which is addressing frames :) better graphics control, text
manipulating,
| > scripting, etc.. just a lot better platform to use than MSP, Word, or
even
| > -HORRORS!!!- Notepad :)
| >
| > Thanks very much for the help and guidance.. the learning curve here is
| > nearly vertical :0
| >
| > teege
| >
| > "Mike Koewler" wrote:
| >
| >
| >>TJ,
| >>
| >>A long workaround, but it should work. You will need to create the
| >>buttons using either text or images. Say the first one is News. You
| >>create a hyperlink to it with the target frameC. Something like:
| >><a href="http:www.yourwebsite.com/news.htm" target="ifrmC"> You need an
| >>absolute link (I think), not just the news.htm.
| >>Next, you will need to create a page called news.htm. It needs to be
| >>narrow enough to fit in the iframe (you will also need to name that
| >>iframe "ifrmC"). As I understand it, Pub does not allow different size
| >>web pages in the same file, so you will need to open a new file, create
| >>that page and be sure to change its name to news.htm
| >>
| >>You repeat the process for each link you want. It's probably a good idea
| >>to have a default page appear in the iframe when the page is loaded.
| >>
| >>One thing to keep in mind - the ultimate goal of a web page is to appeal
| >>to the viewer, not show off the designer's skills. Having three frames
| >>on one page (1 per column) is not going to make for easy viewing. What
| >>is becoming far more popular is to open a link in a new window.
| >>
| >>Mike
| >>
| >>skygodtj wrote:
| >>
| >>
| >>>Hello all,
| >>>
| >>>I searched thru the question base but can find no answer that will
work.
| >>>
| >>>I have a page with three Frames. Frame A is a menu of buttons on left
side
| >>>of page. I want button hyperlinks in A to open in main body Frame C.
Right
| >>>now hyperlinks open in menu frame A. Using Add external hyperlink does
not
| >>>work as I can not assign the external hyperlink to the menu button. I
even
| >>>tried editing the published html link with Notepad to direct it to the
other
| >>>frame but that didnt work either.
| >>>
| >>>My only work-around now is a plain, non-publisher html menu with no
graphic
| >>>buttons, just text... not good. Simply, how can I get Frame A link to
open
| >>>in Frame C?
| >>>
| >>>Thanks,
| >>>
| >>>TJ
| >>

DavidF

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Mike,

Look at the source code of http://www.stthomasbcc.org . I a have proven
myself no expert when talking about frames, but in this case, isn't this
more of a frameset, rather than a iframe, and won't a webot have problems
with this page? Inquiring minds wanna learn ;-)

DavidF

"Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:81b3d$45ba0377$422a96f4$32533@FUSE.NET...[color=darkred]
> Rob,
>
>
> No, they are not. The pages are not framed. Perhaps you have framesets and
> iframes mixed up?
>
> Mike
>
> Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
>

Mike Koewler

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

David,

Yes, he did use Framesets and not iframes. Perhaps that is why the text
gets messed up. I spidered it and did not get a single link from it.

I'm hoping he redoes his pages (preferably using an iframe instead). I'm
not sure he has viewed it since I posted my original thoughts about how
it looked.

Mike

P.S. I have an interesting tale (true) to tell you. I need to finish a
couple of replies then you should have incoming mail. :-)

DavidF wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Look at the source code of http://www.stthomasbcc.org . I a have proven
> myself no expert when talking about frames, but in this case, isn't this
> more of a frameset, rather than a iframe, and won't a webot have problems
> with this page? Inquiring minds wanna learn ;-)
>
> DavidF
>
> "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
> news:81b3d$45ba0377$422a96f4$32533@FUSE.NET...
>
>
>
>

Mike Koewler

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Rob,

I was never talking about framesets. I've never used one. Try this page:
www.valleycat.net That's my home page for the paper. No iframes on it,
except for the News Reader and I'm not sure it is technically an iframe,
though it serves the same purpose.

To get an idea of what I was trying to describe, click on the link under
Past News. That takes you to a sub-folder on my site. See the part in
the middle of the page - that's in an iframe. Now, click on the January
17 link (BTW, I just started this section today and still have a lot of
work to do, so cut me some slack on the design!). Notice how the info in
the iframe changes?

One more thing to try: Look at this link
http://www.valleycat.net/2007/jan17.html It's the same page that is
displayed in the iframe. For now, it isn't hardly worth it, but once I
get around to adding in the other issues from January, plus Feb., March,
April, etc., (and in time, collapse all of January into one menu item,
as well as Feb., etc.,) it will make it easier to pick headlines from a
certain issue without having to view each page.

The upside is that even though it takes a little longer each week, it
will make it easier to keep the site uncluttered if I'm still doing it
in three years, plus I won't have to move pages to a different
directory. Next year, I start one called /2008.

The downside is that no, bots won't spider these pages. But they spider
my main page which has links to 2007 news stories, which will produce
this page. Plus, I can use my search program to spider all my pages (I
still need to run it on this part of the site) so visitors can find
something specific. As it is, if I enter 'State Reading Address' in the
search bar on my home page, it brings up the Mayor's State of the City
address.

Iframes are not the solution for everything. I know a couple of people
who think they ought to be four of them per page, scroll bars and all.
But they can be really helpful. I also use them to hold PHP pages
WebCalendar and a forum simply because it is easier to use my Master
pages with them and keep the design similar from page to page.

Mike

Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:

> Weren't we talking about framesets?
> Sorry...but now I'm confusted.
>
>
> "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
> news:81b3d$45ba0377$422a96f4$32533@FUSE.NET...
> | Rob,
> |
> | >> they're parts of framed pages. <<
> |
> | No, they are not. The pages are not framed. Perhaps you have framesets
> | and iframes mixed up?
> |
> | Mike
> |
> | Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
> |
> | > They are floating like Pluto, that's the point...they're parts of framed
> | > pages.
> | >
> | >
> | > "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
> | > news:8cb76$45b8cace$422a96f4$19519@FUSE.NET...
> | > | Rob,
> | > |
> | > | Well, you lost me on this.
> | > | >> link provided from a search and ends up with the loose frame with
> no
> | > | easy way to find the rest of the site... <<
> | > |
> | > | Sort of destroys the idea that bots can't spider frames, huh! Besides,
> | > | the frame is going to be on a page, along with the nav bar and other
> | > | items. It's not an object floating like Pluto.
> | > |
> | > | Mike
> | > |
> | > | Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
> | > | > The problem being of course is that a viewer follows a link provided
> | > from a
> | > | > search and ends up with the loose frame with no easy way to find the
> | > rest of
> | > | > the site...then of course there's the bookmarking and printing
> problem
> | > and
> | > | > navigation problems.
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | > "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
> | > | > news:ad2d6$45b82953$422a96f4$10613@FUSE.NET...
> | > | > | David,
> | > | > |
> | > | > | It's not important if bots can follow frames or not - face it,
> they
> | > are
> | > | > | empty (at least iframes are!). Bots follow links on pages, so if
> you
> | > | > | have a link to "news.htm" in your nav bar (and it isn't
> javascript)
> | > the
> | > | > | bots will pick up "news.htm." They don't care where it points to -
> | > | > | what's the difference between opening in a new window, same window
> or
> | > | > | named frame? Even if the bot spiders "news.htm" it will search for
> | > links
> | > | > | in it, not in the frame.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Framesets may be different. I've seen the source code for some
> pages
> | > | > | that use them and their is nothing there, except for some meta
> data
> | > and
> | > | > | other crap.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Another exception is probably using an iframe to contain a RSS
> feed.
> | > | > | Because there's no link on your page, the bots cannot spider it.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | The last point - who cares if a bot follows every single link on
> your
> | > | > | page? If something is so minor that it is only worth a frame's
> space,
> | > | > | will it be that important if Google misses it?
> | > | > |
> | > | > | My theory is that if using a frame makes it easier for a visitor
> to
> | > get
> | > | > | the information you want to convey, who cares about getting a
> ranking
> | > of
> | > | > | 45 in a google search? No one seems to go more than two pages deep
> on
> | > s
> | > | > | search results page.
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Of course, YMMV!
> | > | > |
> | > | > | Mike
> | > | > |
> | > | > | DavidF wrote:
> | > | > | > Mike,
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > Thanks for posting this workaround and for the information in
> the
> | > | > brelade
> | > | > | > thread. I had been trying to incorporate an iframe, or some
> other
> | > way,
> | > | > of
> | > | > | > importing a slide show into a Publisher page, and had given up
> | > finding a
> | > | > | > code snippet that worked for me. The brelade thread, and perhaps
> | > this
> | > | > one,
> | > | > | > now gives me the information I needed to import a JAlbum
> generated
> | > slide
> | > | > | > show ;-). It also gives me another design idea that I will need
> to
> | > test
> | > | > | > out...
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > But, I do wonder...do you know if webots can follow and index
> the
> | > text
> | > | > in
> | > | > | > iframes? Are iframes different than "framing" a web page? As I
> said
> | > to
> | > | > the
> | > | > | > OP, I have been under the impression that one should not use
> | > framing,
> | > | > | > because the search engine webots won't/can't index those pages.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > DavidF
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | > "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
> | > | > | > news:da841$45b7fae4$422a96f4$12939@FUSE.NET...
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >>TJ,
> | > | > | >>
> | > | > | >>A long workaround, but it should work. You will need to create
> the
> | > | > buttons
> | > | > | >>using either text or images. Say the first one is News. You
> create a
> | > | > | >>hyperlink to it with the target frameC. Something like:
> | > | > | >><a href="http:www.yourwebsite.com/news.htm" target="ifrmC"> You
> | > need an
> | > | > | >>absolute link (I think), not just the news.htm.
> | > | > | >>Next, you will need to create a page called news.htm. It needs
> to be
> | > | > | >>narrow enough to fit in the iframe (you will also need to name
> that
> | > | > iframe
> | > | > | >>"ifrmC"). As I understand it, Pub does not allow different size
> web
> | > | > pages
> | > | > | >>in the same file, so you will need to open a new file, create
> that
> | > page
> | > | > | >>and be sure to change its name to news.htm
> | > | > | >>
> | > | > | >>You repeat the process for each link you want. It's probably a
> good
> | > idea
> | > | > | >>to have a default page appear in the iframe when the page is
> loaded.
> | > | > | >>
> | > | > | >>One thing to keep in mind - the ultimate goal of a web page is
> to
> | > appeal
> | > | > | >>to the viewer, not show off the designer's skills. Having three
> | > frames
> | > | > on
> | > | > | >>one page (1 per column) is not going to make for easy viewing.
> What
> | > is
> | > | > | >>becoming far more popular is to open a link in a new window.
> | > | > | >>
> | > | > | >>Mike
> | > | > | >>
> | > | > | >>skygodtj wrote:
> | > | > | >>
> | > | > | >>
> | > | > | >>>Hello all,
> | > | > | >>>
> | > | > | >>>I searched thru the question base but can find no answer that
> will
> | > | > work.
> | > | > | >>>I have a page with three Frames. Frame A is a menu of buttons
> on
> | > left
> | > | > | >>>side of page. I want button hyperlinks in A to open in main
> body
> | > Frame
> | > | > | >>>C. Right now hyperlinks open in menu frame A. Using Add
> external
> | > | > | >>>hyperlink does not work as I can not assign the external
> hyperlink
> | > to
> | > | > the
> | > | > | >>>menu button. I even tried editing the published html link with
> | > Notepad
> | > | > | >>>to direct it to the other frame but that didnt work either.
> | > | > | >>>
> | > | > | >>>My only work-around now is a plain, non-publisher html menu
> with no
> | > | > | >>>graphic buttons, just text... not good. Simply, how can I get
> | > Frame A
> | > | > | >>>link to open in Frame C?
> | > | > | >>>
> | > | > | >>>Thanks,
> | > | > | >>>
> | > | > | >>>TJ
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >
> | > | > | >
> | > | >
> | > | >
> | >
> | >
>
>

Mike Koewler

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.publisher.webdesign:41434

Rob,

Not me! See my above reply.

Mike

Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
> ...like you could end up like this; http://www.stthomasbcc.org/main.html
>
>
>
> "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
> news:141c3$45b9fea2$422a96f4$28167@FUSE.NET...
> | TJ,
> |
> | A good start. A couple of things, though. Something has whacked up your
> | home page. It has an image in the middle of the text, actually
> | overlaying it. It doesn't look like it belongs there, perhaps an extra
> | page trying to display at the same time.
> |
> | You need to make your main iframe a little smaller and leave a bit of
> | space between it and your left-side column. Not a lot, maybe a a pixel
> | or two.
> |
> | Also, some of the pages displayed in the iframe are too wide to fit,
> | causing a horizontal scroll bar to appear. Most people try to avoid
> | these things if at all possible.
> |
> | However, it looks like you've worked out the hard part, not it's just
> | tweaking it!
> |
> | If you decide to move away from Pub, before you buy an old version of
> | FrontPage, take a look at Serif WebPlus 10. It's decently priced (Serif
> | always bargains with potential customers) and has a 30-day money back
> | guarantee. More importantly, it will do all the things on your site in
> | one file (you can have different size pages) and is still pretty much a
> | WYSIWYG editor, though you can incorporate html and PHP fragments in it.
> |
> | Mike
> |
> | skygodtj wrote:
> | > Mike,
> | >
> | > I figured out a work-around, but it sounds like I figured out what you
> came
> | > up with.. I made a thin menu page(left side of screen)(frame A) with
> | > graphics and absolute addresses (http://...) for the button, and
> finished
> | > each with target="C"> and it works well as long as I dont use MSP to
> publish
> | > it. As soon as I loaded it into MSP, the targeting disappeared, so it's
> | > stick to roll-yer-own html for the menu and MSP for the individual
> pages. I
> | > was using just target="C" instead of "iframe", that may have been part
> of the
> | > problem.
> | >
> | > As far as the frames go.. menu frame is on the left(A), top frame(B)is
> | > really just a header, or mast for the name of the site, and the bottom
> | > frame(C, biggest size) is for the body and target of the buttons. It's
> here
> | > if you want to see what I was doing.. http://www.stthomasbcc.org. It
> doesnt
> | > matter that webots cant find the nested pages, i dont need them to, just
> the
> | > menu page which will load the frame index and the site comes up.
> | >
> | > I started looking at FrontPage, for a number of reasons now, not the
> least
> | > of which is addressing frames :) better graphics control, text
> manipulating,
> | > scripting, etc.. just a lot better platform to use than MSP, Word, or
> even
> | > -HORRORS!!!- Notepad :)
> | >
> | > Thanks very much for the help and guidance.. the learning curve here is
> | > nearly vertical :0
> | >
> | > teege
> | >
> | > "Mike Koewler" wrote:
> | >
> | >
> | >>TJ,
> | >>
> | >>A long workaround, but it should work. You will need to create the
> | >>buttons using either text or images. Say the first one is News. You
> | >>create a hyperlink to it with the target frameC. Something like:
> | >><a href="http:www.yourwebsite.com/news.htm" target="ifrmC"> You need an
> | >>absolute link (I think), not just the news.htm.
> | >>Next, you will need to create a page called news.htm. It needs to be
> | >>narrow enough to fit in the iframe (you will also need to name that
> | >>iframe "ifrmC"). As I understand it, Pub does not allow different size
> | >>web pages in the same file, so you will need to open a new file, create
> | >>that page and be sure to change its name to news.htm
> | >>
> | >>You repeat the process for each link you want. It's probably a good idea
> | >>to have a default page appear in the iframe when the page is loaded.
> | >>
> | >>One thing to keep in mind - the ultimate goal of a web page is to appeal
> | >>to the viewer, not show off the designer's skills. Having three frames
> | >>on one page (1 per column) is not going to make for easy viewing. What
> | >>is becoming far more popular is to open a link in a new window.
> | >>
> | >>Mike
> | >>
> | >>skygodtj wrote:
> | >>
> | >>
> | >>>Hello all,
> | >>>
> | >>>I searched thru the question base but can find no answer that will
> work.
> | >>>
> | >>>I have a page with three Frames. Frame A is a menu of buttons on left
> side
> | >>>of page. I want button hyperlinks in A to open in main body Frame C.
> Right
> | >>>now hyperlinks open in menu frame A. Using Add external hyperlink does
> not
> | >>>work as I can not assign the external hyperlink to the menu button. I
> even
> | >>>tried editing the published html link with Notepad to direct it to the
> other
> | >>>frame but that didnt work either.
> | >>>
> | >>>My only work-around now is a plain, non-publisher html menu with no
> graphic
> | >>>buttons, just text... not good. Simply, how can I get Frame A link to
> open
> | >>>in Frame C?
> | >>>
> | >>>Thanks,
> | >>>
> | >>>TJ
> | >>
>
>

Rob Giordano $Crash$

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

No you're right.
Your's are iFrames

"Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
news:1ce97$45ba8035$422a96f4$2610@FUSE.NET...
| Rob,
|
| Not me! See my above reply.
|
| Mike
|
| Rob Giordano (Crash) wrote:
| > ...like you could end up like this; http://www.stthomasbcc.org/main.html
| >
| >
| >
| > "Mike Koewler" <wordwiz@fuse.net> wrote in message
| > news:141c3$45b9fea2$422a96f4$28167@FUSE.NET...
| > | TJ,
| > |
| > | A good start. A couple of things, though. Something has whacked up
your
| > | home page. It has an image in the middle of the text, actually
| > | overlaying it. It doesn't look like it belongs there, perhaps an extra
| > | page trying to display at the same time.
| > |
| > | You need to make your main iframe a little smaller and leave a bit of
| > | space between it and your left-side column. Not a lot, maybe a a pixel
| > | or two.
| > |
| > | Also, some of the pages displayed in the iframe are too wide to fit,
| > | causing a horizontal scroll bar to appear. Most people try to avoid
| > | these things if at all possible.
| > |
| > | However, it looks like you've worked out the hard part, not it's just
| > | tweaking it!
| > |
| > | If you decide to move away from Pub, before you buy an old version of
| > | FrontPage, take a look at Serif WebPlus 10. It's decently priced
(Serif
| > | always bargains with potential customers) and has a 30-day money back
| > | guarantee. More importantly, it will do all the things on your site in
| > | one file (you can have different size pages) and is still pretty much
a
| > | WYSIWYG editor, though you can incorporate html and PHP fragments in
it.
| > |
| > | Mike
| > |
| > | skygodtj wrote:
| > | > Mike,
| > | >
| > | > I figured out a work-around, but it sounds like I figured out what
you
| > came
| > | > up with..