Microsoft Publisher - My browser shuts down when attempting to view my website

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My browser shuts down when attempting to view my website

LBorchert

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

IE explorer shuts down every time I attempt to view my website
www.cityofsidney.org I installed the IE 7.0 as per our current ISP which
fixed my problem and I now can view the website, although it does not help
other viewers if they are still using the older version. I recently
switched ISP's and had no problems with the previous ISP when using the
older version of IE. Please advise.

DavidF

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

This is a rarely occurring problem that no one has solved definitively. Your
comment about IE7 fixing the issue is contrary to another poster a few weeks
back.

One of the potential reasons for this is hosting the site on a unix server
vs. a windows platform. Did you switch to unix?

DavidF

"LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:D441E450-6BEF-4479-A721-A554C5DB2EFE@microsoft.com...
> IE explorer shuts down every time I attempt to view my website
> www.cityofsidney.org I installed the IE 7.0 as per our current ISP
> which
> fixed my problem and I now can view the website, although it does not help
> other viewers if they are still using the older version. I recently
> switched ISP's and had no problems with the previous ISP when using the
> older version of IE. Please advise.

Rob Giordano $Crash$

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Looks like Unix w/FP extensions.
I have no problem with it crashing IE7

"DavidF" <Nope@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ORqXg0pNHHA.2232@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| This is a rarely occurring problem that no one has solved definitively.
Your
| comment about IE7 fixing the issue is contrary to another poster a few
weeks
| back.
|
| One of the potential reasons for this is hosting the site on a unix server
| vs. a windows platform. Did you switch to unix?
|
| DavidF
|
| "LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| news:D441E450-6BEF-4479-A721-A554C5DB2EFE@microsoft.com...
| > IE explorer shuts down every time I attempt to view my website
| > www.cityofsidney.org I installed the IE 7.0 as per our current ISP
| > which
| > fixed my problem and I now can view the website, although it does not
help
| > other viewers if they are still using the older version. I recently
| > switched ISP's and had no problems with the previous ISP when using the
| > older version of IE. Please advise.
|
|

LBorchert

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

I am a "newbee" when it comes to web design and hosting. What is Unix w/FP
extensions? I would imagine that I need to call our ISP and find out? Will
I have to change ISP again or can they provide me with a fix? Thanks. Lori
Crash2 : )

"Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:

> Looks like Unix w/FP extensions.
> I have no problem with it crashing IE7
>
>
> "DavidF" <Nope@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:ORqXg0pNHHA.2232@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | This is a rarely occurring problem that no one has solved definitively.
> Your
> | comment about IE7 fixing the issue is contrary to another poster a few
> weeks
> | back.
> |
> | One of the potential reasons for this is hosting the site on a unix server
> | vs. a windows platform. Did you switch to unix?
> |
> | DavidF
> |
> | "LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> | news:D441E450-6BEF-4479-A721-A554C5DB2EFE@microsoft.com...
> | > IE explorer shuts down every time I attempt to view my website
> | > www.cityofsidney.org I installed the IE 7.0 as per our current ISP
> | > which
> | > fixed my problem and I now can view the website, although it does not
> help
> | > other viewers if they are still using the older version. I recently
> | > switched ISP's and had no problems with the previous ISP when using the
> | > older version of IE. Please advise.
> |
> |
>
>
>

LBorchert

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

FYI, I also have published www.sidneyboothill.com with the same ISP and have
had no problems crashing in IE6.

"LBorchert" wrote:
[color=darkred]
> I am a "newbee" when it comes to web design and hosting. What is Unix w/FP
> extensions? I would imagine that I need to call our ISP and find out? Will
> I have to change ISP again or can they provide me with a fix? Thanks. Lori
> Crash2 : )
>
> "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
>

Rob Giordano $Crash$

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Neither site crashes my IE7

Unix/Linux is operating system software. Your host is using linux with
Apache server. Other hosts may use Windows OS with Windows server software.
I'm not sure why IE7 would crash based upon what server the site is hosted
on/by, so can't comment.

"LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4FBFE6DD-8863-4790-B719-E46FBA643D6F@microsoft.com...
| FYI, I also have published www.sidneyboothill.com with the same ISP and
have
| had no problems crashing in IE6.
|
| "LBorchert" wrote:
|
| > I am a "newbee" when it comes to web design and hosting. What is Unix
w/FP
| > extensions? I would imagine that I need to call our ISP and find out?
Will
| > I have to change ISP again or can they provide me with a fix? Thanks.
Lori
| > Crash2 : )
| >
| > "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
| >
| > > Looks like Unix w/FP extensions.
| > > I have no problem with it crashing IE7
| > >
| > >
| > > "DavidF" <Nope@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > > news:ORqXg0pNHHA.2232@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > > | This is a rarely occurring problem that no one has solved
definitively.
| > > Your
| > > | comment about IE7 fixing the issue is contrary to another poster a
few
| > > weeks
| > > | back.
| > > |
| > > | One of the potential reasons for this is hosting the site on a unix
server
| > > | vs. a windows platform. Did you switch to unix?
| > > |
| > > | DavidF
| > > |
| > > | "LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > > | news:D441E450-6BEF-4479-A721-A554C5DB2EFE@microsoft.com...
| > > | > IE explorer shuts down every time I attempt to view my website
| > > | > www.cityofsidney.org I installed the IE 7.0 as per our current
ISP
| > > | > which
| > > | > fixed my problem and I now can view the website, although it does
not
| > > help
| > > | > other viewers if they are still using the older version. I
recently
| > > | > switched ISP's and had no problems with the previous ISP when
using the
| > > | > older version of IE. Please advise.
| > > |
| > > |
| > >
| > >
| > >

LBorchert

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Since I upgrade IE6 to IE7, it doesn't crash. However, it does crash in IE6.
Most of the viewers are using IE6 and since it is a government website, we
need to be compatible to the majority. So, the problem is viewing the site
in IE6 not IE7. Sorry if I mislead you. Any insite on what I should do now
that we have that clarified?

"Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:

> Neither site crashes my IE7
>
> Unix/Linux is operating system software. Your host is using linux with
> Apache server. Other hosts may use Windows OS with Windows server software.
> I'm not sure why IE7 would crash based upon what server the site is hosted
> on/by, so can't comment.
>
>
>
>
> "LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4FBFE6DD-8863-4790-B719-E46FBA643D6F@microsoft.com...
> | FYI, I also have published www.sidneyboothill.com with the same ISP and
> have
> | had no problems crashing in IE6.
> |
> | "LBorchert" wrote:
> |
> | > I am a "newbee" when it comes to web design and hosting. What is Unix
> w/FP
> | > extensions? I would imagine that I need to call our ISP and find out?
> Will
> | > I have to change ISP again or can they provide me with a fix? Thanks.
> Lori
> | > Crash2 : )
> | >
> | > "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
> | >
> | > > Looks like Unix w/FP extensions.
> | > > I have no problem with it crashing IE7
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > "DavidF" <Nope@nospam.com> wrote in message
> | > > news:ORqXg0pNHHA.2232@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> | > > | This is a rarely occurring problem that no one has solved
> definitively.
> | > > Your
> | > > | comment about IE7 fixing the issue is contrary to another poster a
> few
> | > > weeks
> | > > | back.
> | > > |
> | > > | One of the potential reasons for this is hosting the site on a unix
> server
> | > > | vs. a windows platform. Did you switch to unix?
> | > > |
> | > > | DavidF
> | > > |
> | > > | "LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> | > > | news:D441E450-6BEF-4479-A721-A554C5DB2EFE@microsoft.com...
> | > > | > IE explorer shuts down every time I attempt to view my website
> | > > | > www.cityofsidney.org I installed the IE 7.0 as per our current
> ISP
> | > > | > which
> | > > | > fixed my problem and I now can view the website, although it does
> not
> | > > help
> | > > | > other viewers if they are still using the older version. I
> recently
> | > > | > switched ISP's and had no problems with the previous ISP when
> using the
> | > > | > older version of IE. Please advise.
> | > > |
> | > > |
> | > >
> | > >
> | > >
>
>
>

BlueEsq

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Hi,

As you'll all recall, I was having trouble with this as well some weeks
back. Everything IEv6 or lower was crashing the browser. I upgraded one of
the PCs that was experiencing problems with IE7, and the problem was solved.
This isn't really a solution, as you'll still have many people hitting the
site with v6 or lower. What I've done to combat this issue is list that the
site's best viewed with Firefox or Netscape in my advertisement for the
business (the Publisher site works flawlessly with those two other browsers).
I just don't have time to switch over to an Windows platform on my server,
and see if the switch from unix to windows solves the problem I was seeing on
IEv.6. I'm just going to hang in there until more PCs are ugraded to
IE7...and sit it out.

It seems that Publisher sites are very hit-and-miss with IEv6 and lower,
once you've installed 7 on your machine (specifically, the machine that you
use to build and upload the site).

It's a frustration. However, although I do have Dreamweaver...I can't seem
to leave Publisher! (even though I should) Grrrrr....

"DavidF" wrote:

> This is a rarely occurring problem that no one has solved definitively. Your
> comment about IE7 fixing the issue is contrary to another poster a few weeks
> back.
>
> One of the potential reasons for this is hosting the site on a unix server
> vs. a windows platform. Did you switch to unix?
>
> DavidF
>
> "LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:D441E450-6BEF-4479-A721-A554C5DB2EFE@microsoft.com...
>
>
>

LBorchert

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Hi Blue~

I, too, have Dreamweaver. I attended a class and it blew my mind.
Publisher does seem to be so much easier. I may have to just bite the
bullet and do the switch. My boss has been getting numerous calls saying our
site is not user friendly and I must do "something" soon. I put in the plug
to upgrade to IE7 at the top of my web page so viewers can read it as it
crashes in IE6. Now I have computer techs criticizing me for advertising
IE7 as it has some bugs. I can't seem to win here. I guess I still don't
understand why my website worked in IE6 before I made the ISP switch to
another provider. Also, my second website works fine on either IE6 or IE7.
My current provider doesn't think that it a problem caused by them. They
think it is in the coding, causing the crashes. I just need a temporary fix
until I have time to recreate the website in Dreamweaver (which will not be a
quick task). I also have some people recommending Front Page vs
Dreamweaver. What ever I do next, I don't want to be sorry. Any words of
advice?

"BlueEsq" wrote:
[color=darkred]
> Hi,
>
> As you'll all recall, I was having trouble with this as well some weeks
> back. Everything IEv6 or lower was crashing the browser. I upgraded one of
> the PCs that was experiencing problems with IE7, and the problem was solved.
> This isn't really a solution, as you'll still have many people hitting the
> site with v6 or lower. What I've done to combat this issue is list that the
> site's best viewed with Firefox or Netscape in my advertisement for the
> business (the Publisher site works flawlessly with those two other browsers).
> I just don't have time to switch over to an Windows platform on my server,
> and see if the switch from unix to windows solves the problem I was seeing on
> IEv.6. I'm just going to hang in there until more PCs are ugraded to
> IE7...and sit it out.
>
> It seems that Publisher sites are very hit-and-miss with IEv6 and lower,
> once you've installed 7 on your machine (specifically, the machine that you
> use to build and upload the site).
>
> It's a frustration. However, although I do have Dreamweaver...I can't seem
> to leave Publisher! (even though I should) Grrrrr....
>
> "DavidF" wrote:
>

DavidF

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Excuse me for jumping in here, but BlueEsq and I have already had this
conversation.

The Unix server vs. a Windows server issue is just a guess solution. This
issue was investigated by David Bartosik with MS, and though no absolute
solution was determined, MS felt it might be because of the Unix server.
Don't ask me why. The fact that you did not have a problem before changing
to a Unix server led me to ask you if the server was Unix, and according to
Rob, it is. One POSSIBLE solution for you is to see if your ISP could switch
the site over to a Windows server...many ISPs offer both. This would be your
temporary solution, as you will not find MS patching Pub 2003 to fix this
problem...for a lot of reason, the least of which that using IE7 apparently
fixes the problem.

I can see why you are getting static for recommending IE7. It is having its
own set of problems. And as per BlueEsq's solution to suggest using FF, many
Publisher sites don't work well in FF, so that isn't too viable either. I
would suggest that since your one site works well and the other doesn't,
then figure out what you are doing different...and don't do that. That may
sound a bit facetious, but if it were me, I would take the Publisher file
that is crashing IE, and start "deconstructing" it. Study it, and look at
what techniques you used that are different, and look for the one that is
crashing the site. You might need to drag most of the design elements off
the page, and then add them back, one at a time to determine what the
problem is.

Ultimately since this is a government site, you should probably work towards
moving to Dreamweaver or another program that is specifically designed for
building websites. Publisher is a DTP with limited web building capability,
and even if you solve this problem, ultimately you will come up against
something else. It is fine for a basic, simple, static website, but you
should probably be using Dreamweaver...or something else. Frontpage is being
replaced by two new programs, neither of which is easier than FrontPage.
http://www.nvu.com/index.php has been recommended, and is free. And also
Serif WebPlus 10 sounds like it will be easy to use, and work better than
Publisher. I guess what I am saying is that I think that your time would be
better spent learning new software that won't limit you as much as
Publisher. Good luck.

DavidF

"LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C532FF26-D88F-43E0-82D3-C568B25B3F43@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
> Hi Blue~
>
> I, too, have Dreamweaver. I attended a class and it blew my mind.
> Publisher does seem to be so much easier. I may have to just bite the
> bullet and do the switch. My boss has been getting numerous calls saying
> our
> site is not user friendly and I must do "something" soon. I put in the
> plug
> to upgrade to IE7 at the top of my web page so viewers can read it as it
> crashes in IE6. Now I have computer techs criticizing me for advertising
> IE7 as it has some bugs. I can't seem to win here. I guess I still
> don't
> understand why my website worked in IE6 before I made the ISP switch to
> another provider. Also, my second website works fine on either IE6 or
> IE7.
> My current provider doesn't think that it a problem caused by them. They
> think it is in the coding, causing the crashes. I just need a temporary
> fix
> until I have time to recreate the website in Dreamweaver (which will not
> be a
> quick task). I also have some people recommending Front Page vs
> Dreamweaver. What ever I do next, I don't want to be sorry. Any words of
> advice?
>
> "BlueEsq" wrote:
>

Rob Giordano $Crash$

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Curious as to how you are dealing with accessibility issues designing with
Publisher...must be difficult.

"LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2A4AC1A1-B4FD-4AC8-948C-41CF9C3FF536@microsoft.com...
| Since I upgrade IE6 to IE7, it doesn't crash. However, it does crash in
IE6.
| Most of the viewers are using IE6 and since it is a government website, we
| need to be compatible to the majority. So, the problem is viewing the
site
| in IE6 not IE7. Sorry if I mislead you. Any insite on what I should do
now
| that we have that clarified?
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
|
| > Neither site crashes my IE7
| >
| > Unix/Linux is operating system software. Your host is using linux with
| > Apache server. Other hosts may use Windows OS with Windows server
software.
| > I'm not sure why IE7 would crash based upon what server the site is
hosted
| > on/by, so can't comment.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > "LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > news:4FBFE6DD-8863-4790-B719-E46FBA643D6F@microsoft.com...
| > | FYI, I also have published www.sidneyboothill.com with the same ISP
and
| > have
| > | had no problems crashing in IE6.
| > |
| > | "LBorchert" wrote:
| > |
| > | > I am a "newbee" when it comes to web design and hosting. What is
Unix
| > w/FP
| > | > extensions? I would imagine that I need to call our ISP and find
out?
| > Will
| > | > I have to change ISP again or can they provide me with a fix?
Thanks.
| > Lori
| > | > Crash2 : )
| > | >
| > | > "Rob Giordano (Crash)" wrote:
| > | >
| > | > > Looks like Unix w/FP extensions.
| > | > > I have no problem with it crashing IE7
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | > > "DavidF" <Nope@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > | > > news:ORqXg0pNHHA.2232@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
| > | > > | This is a rarely occurring problem that no one has solved
| > definitively.
| > | > > Your
| > | > > | comment about IE7 fixing the issue is contrary to another poster
a
| > few
| > | > > weeks
| > | > > | back.
| > | > > |
| > | > > | One of the potential reasons for this is hosting the site on a
unix
| > server
| > | > > | vs. a windows platform. Did you switch to unix?
| > | > > |
| > | > > | DavidF
| > | > > |
| > | > > | "LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
| > | > > | news:D441E450-6BEF-4479-A721-A554C5DB2EFE@microsoft.com...
| > | > > | > IE explorer shuts down every time I attempt to view my website
| > | > > | > www.cityofsidney.org I installed the IE 7.0 as per our
current
| > ISP
| > | > > | > which
| > | > > | > fixed my problem and I now can view the website, although it
does
| > not
| > | > > help
| > | > > | > other viewers if they are still using the older version. I
| > recently
| > | > > | > switched ISP's and had no problems with the previous ISP when
| > using the
| > | > > | > older version of IE. Please advise.
| > | > > |
| > | > > |
| > | > >
| > | > >
| > | > >
| >
| >
| >

LBorchert

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Thanks DavidF. I guess I just wanted a starting point. I just don't
understand why the website worked with no problems with one ISP and I am
having problems with the new ISP. In a nutshell: gov website was started
with one ISP and switched to a new ISP. No crashing with first ISP and IE6.
Crashing began immediately with new ISP and IE6. After upgrading to IE7 with
new ISP - no crashes. Second website started with new ISP in IE6 - still no
crashes. Doesn't make sense to me. I was told that the website only
crashes in IE6 on the Home Page and the Calendar page. Could this mean it is
a coding issue? I did the detect/repair and review issues. I will take your
advice and "basically" rebuild my home page to see if it is the problem. I
appreciate all the time you each have spent giving me tips. Thanks to all.

"DavidF" wrote:

> Excuse me for jumping in here, but BlueEsq and I have already had this
> conversation.
>
> The Unix server vs. a Windows server issue is just a guess solution. This
> issue was investigated by David Bartosik with MS, and though no absolute
> solution was determined, MS felt it might be because of the Unix server.
> Don't ask me why. The fact that you did not have a problem before changing
> to a Unix server led me to ask you if the server was Unix, and according to
> Rob, it is. One POSSIBLE solution for you is to see if your ISP could switch
> the site over to a Windows server...many ISPs offer both. This would be your
> temporary solution, as you will not find MS patching Pub 2003 to fix this
> problem...for a lot of reason, the least of which that using IE7 apparently
> fixes the problem.
>
> I can see why you are getting static for recommending IE7. It is having its
> own set of problems. And as per BlueEsq's solution to suggest using FF, many
> Publisher sites don't work well in FF, so that isn't too viable either. I
> would suggest that since your one site works well and the other doesn't,
> then figure out what you are doing different...and don't do that. That may
> sound a bit facetious, but if it were me, I would take the Publisher file
> that is crashing IE, and start "deconstructing" it. Study it, and look at
> what techniques you used that are different, and look for the one that is
> crashing the site. You might need to drag most of the design elements off
> the page, and then add them back, one at a time to determine what the
> problem is.
>
> Ultimately since this is a government site, you should probably work towards
> moving to Dreamweaver or another program that is specifically designed for
> building websites. Publisher is a DTP with limited web building capability,
> and even if you solve this problem, ultimately you will come up against
> something else. It is fine for a basic, simple, static website, but you
> should probably be using Dreamweaver...or something else. Frontpage is being
> replaced by two new programs, neither of which is easier than FrontPage.
> http://www.nvu.com/index.php has been recommended, and is free. And also
> Serif WebPlus 10 sounds like it will be easy to use, and work better than
> Publisher. I guess what I am saying is that I think that your time would be
> better spent learning new software that won't limit you as much as
> Publisher. Good luck.
>
> DavidF
>
> "LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:C532FF26-D88F-43E0-82D3-C568B25B3F43@microsoft.com...
>
>
>

LBorchert

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

I took your advice David and reconstructed my website starting with my home
page. I noticed that I inadvertantly linked my home page to itself on an
object that I had inserted. When checking the website through other
co-workers computers - that still use IE6, the "crashing" was "fixed" on one
and still crashes on two others. The computers that still crash are new
computers - could this have anything to do with SP2? I thought I had the
"fix" that I needed but I still need to work on it.

"LBorchert" wrote:
[color=darkred]
> Thanks DavidF. I guess I just wanted a starting point. I just don't
> understand why the website worked with no problems with one ISP and I am
> having problems with the new ISP. In a nutshell: gov website was started
> with one ISP and switched to a new ISP. No crashing with first ISP and IE6.
> Crashing began immediately with new ISP and IE6. After upgrading to IE7 with
> new ISP - no crashes. Second website started with new ISP in IE6 - still no
> crashes. Doesn't make sense to me. I was told that the website only
> crashes in IE6 on the Home Page and the Calendar page. Could this mean it is
> a coding issue? I did the detect/repair and review issues. I will take your
> advice and "basically" rebuild my home page to see if it is the problem. I
> appreciate all the time you each have spent giving me tips. Thanks to all.
>
> "DavidF" wrote:
>

DavidF

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

I am running IE6 SP2 on this computer, and it crashes, albeit not so
quickly?? I did notice that you have some large images on the home page that
did not load. Though a complete stab in the dark, if you have a third party
image editing program, resize and optimize the images before you insert
them, or compress them from within Publisher: Compress graphics file sizes
to create smaller Publisher Web pages:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/p...1266301033.aspx
I doubt that it will make any difference, but it will speed up the loading
page...if we can ever get it to load without crashing.

If you are open to it, and before you change anything about your Publisher
file, do a Save As of your Publisher file, and save it as sidneytest.pub.
Delete all the pages except for the home page, the calendar page and one
page that works ok, and save the changes. Then send it to me by way of
http://www.yousendit.com/ Send it to publisherhelp at no spam gmail dot com
.. Remove the obvious, and please don't post the address without munging it
up. I really get enough spam already.

I'll then give it a look, and also test it on my web host which uses a
Windows platform. In the meantime, check with your ISP and see if they have
Windows servers in addition to Unix, and if it is possible to switch you if
my experiment works.

DavidF

"LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1D269ECA-B171-416B-9D60-095B8FB98877@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>I took your advice David and reconstructed my website starting with my home
> page. I noticed that I inadvertantly linked my home page to itself on an
> object that I had inserted. When checking the website through other
> co-workers computers - that still use IE6, the "crashing" was "fixed" on
> one
> and still crashes on two others. The computers that still crash are new
> computers - could this have anything to do with SP2? I thought I had the
> "fix" that I needed but I still need to work on it.
>
> "LBorchert" wrote:
>

LBorchert

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

David,
I will try the "experiment" tomorrow (1/17). I have been busy at work doing
other things and that is as soon as I can get to it. I do appreciate the
time you are taking to help me out. If all goes well, I will send it to you
tomorrow also. It is mind boggeling!

"DavidF" wrote:

> I am running IE6 SP2 on this computer, and it crashes, albeit not so
> quickly?? I did notice that you have some large images on the home page that
> did not load. Though a complete stab in the dark, if you have a third party
> image editing program, resize and optimize the images before you insert
> them, or compress them from within Publisher: Compress graphics file sizes
> to create smaller Publisher Web pages:
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/p...1266301033.aspx
> I doubt that it will make any difference, but it will speed up the loading
> page...if we can ever get it to load without crashing.
>
> If you are open to it, and before you change anything about your Publisher
> file, do a Save As of your Publisher file, and save it as sidneytest.pub.
> Delete all the pages except for the home page, the calendar page and one
> page that works ok, and save the changes. Then send it to me by way of
> http://www.yousendit.com/ Send it to publisherhelp at no spam gmail dot com
> .. Remove the obvious, and please don't post the address without munging it
> up. I really get enough spam already.
>
> I'll then give it a look, and also test it on my web host which uses a
> Windows platform. In the meantime, check with your ISP and see if they have
> Windows servers in addition to Unix, and if it is possible to switch you if
> my experiment works.
>
> DavidF
>
> "LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1D269ECA-B171-416B-9D60-095B8FB98877@microsoft.com...
>
>
>

LBorchert

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

David, I sent the files per your request on 1/17/07 11:51AM MST. Lori

"LBorchert" wrote:
[color=darkred]
> David,
> I will try the "experiment" tomorrow (1/17). I have been busy at work doing
> other things and that is as soon as I can get to it. I do appreciate the
> time you are taking to help me out. If all goes well, I will send it to you
> tomorrow also. It is mind boggeling!
>
> "DavidF" wrote:
>

DavidF

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Got em. Will report back when I have some time to test.

DavidF

"LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E8FDFD50-E32C-4A11-9DB2-636E41D06E8B@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
> David, I sent the files per your request on 1/17/07 11:51AM MST. Lori
>
> "LBorchert" wrote:
>

DavidF

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Lori,

I published the three pages to my webhost which has a windows platform, and
it does not crash IE6.

I did find two things on the home page and the Calendar page, that might be
contributing to, or even cause the pages to crash. One your home page, page
1 or your Pub file, you have a Mapquest map image. Go to tools > Graphics
Manager, and that file is called worldmap.wmf. You should only be using
..jpg, .gif, or .png formatted image files in a web site. You also have the
bookcover of Lynchings...as lynchingw.bmp...convert it too.

One the third page, the Calendar page, you have another .wmf image...the
judges gavel.

I am hoping you have an image editing program. You should convert all three
of these images to either a .jpg or .gif file. I would recommend .gif files
for maps, icons, etc where there are few colors. I get smaller file sizes
and faster loading images, and they are more clear than jpgs. Use .jpg for
more images with lots of details and colors...

While you are at it, you also have two "images" without any extensions on
page two...the compasses "symbol" on the maps. One is hidden behind the
smaller map...use the arrange tool to bring that one to the front. It
appears that these are .emf files, and they too should be converted to
..gifs. And for that matter while you are in the graphics manager, look for
other images throughout your site that are incorrectly formatted.

As I said, the one thing in common with the home page and the calendar page
is your use of .wmf images. Change these to .gifs, along with the other
images I spotted, and see if that makes any difference.

But before you republish, you also need to reduce the size of those images.
The html output for just those three pages was close to 3 megs...it should
be FAR less than that. You can compress them through Publisher. Read this
reference: Compress graphics file sizes to create smaller Publisher Web
pages:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/p...1266301033.aspx

Though compressing them via Publisher will help, if you want your images to
look the best they can, then you should size them, and optimize them before
you insert them, and then scale them at 100%. If you select the image >
Right click > Format picture and look under the Size tab, you will see the
scale. If you don't have an image editor such as Adobe Photoshop...or
Photoshop Elements, you can get a freebie here that works well:
http://www.irfanview.com/

Let me know if changing out the pictures to the proper gif or jpg format
helps with the crashing problem. If not I will keep looking, but at least it
does appear that for some reason if you use a windows platform, the site
will not crash.

DavidF

"LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:E8FDFD50-E32C-4A11-9DB2-636E41D06E8B@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
> David, I sent the files per your request on 1/17/07 11:51AM MST. Lori
>
> "LBorchert" wrote:
>

DavidF

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Lori,

I did some follow-up this morning. While studying the HTML output from your
file, I saw that the wmf files were converted to wmz files during the
Publish to the Web process of producing the html files. I then found a
reference where wmz files could crash IE. I also found that the .bmp file
was converted to emz file, though no reference about it crashing IE.

With this information in hand, I reviewed another file, another poster sent
me back in August, who was having the same problem. I had also posted his
site on my windows platform host, and once again it loaded ok, but moving
his site to a windows host wasn't practical...not that it is for you. This
time when I looked at his file I noticed he too had used wmf files
extensively.

I would suggest that you convert the wmf files to gif formats, reinsert them
into your document, produce new html, and upload it. At some point you
really should reduce the size of all your images as per my past post, but I
would be curious if the conversion of wmf to gif in your Pub file will solve
the crashing problem.

DavidF

"DavidF" <Nope@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:u2KyVupOHHA.2140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Lori,
>
> I published the three pages to my webhost which has a windows platform,
> and it does not crash IE6.
>
> I did find two things on the home page and the Calendar page, that might
> be contributing to, or even cause the pages to crash. One your home page,
> page 1 or your Pub file, you have a Mapquest map image. Go to tools >
> Graphics Manager, and that file is called worldmap.wmf. You should only be
> using .jpg, .gif, or .png formatted image files in a web site. You also
> have the bookcover of Lynchings...as lynchingw.bmp...convert it too.
>
> One the third page, the Calendar page, you have another .wmf image...the
> judges gavel.
>
> I am hoping you have an image editing program. You should convert all
> three of these images to either a .jpg or .gif file. I would recommend
> .gif files for maps, icons, etc where there are few colors. I get smaller
> file sizes and faster loading images, and they are more clear than jpgs.
> Use .jpg for more images with lots of details and colors...
>
> While you are at it, you also have two "images" without any extensions on
> page two...the compasses "symbol" on the maps. One is hidden behind the
> smaller map...use the arrange tool to bring that one to the front. It
> appears that these are .emf files, and they too should be converted to
> .gifs. And for that matter while you are in the graphics manager, look for
> other images throughout your site that are incorrectly formatted.
>
> As I said, the one thing in common with the home page and the calendar
> page is your use of .wmf images. Change these to .gifs, along with the
> other images I spotted, and see if that makes any difference.
>
> But before you republish, you also need to reduce the size of those
> images. The html output for just those three pages was close to 3
> megs...it should be FAR less than that. You can compress them through
> Publisher. Read this reference: Compress graphics file sizes to create
> smaller Publisher Web pages:
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/p...1266301033.aspx
>
> Though compressing them via Publisher will help, if you want your images
> to look the best they can, then you should size them, and optimize them
> before you insert them, and then scale them at 100%. If you select the
> image > Right click > Format picture and look under the Size tab, you will
> see the scale. If you don't have an image editor such as Adobe
> Photoshop...or Photoshop Elements, you can get a freebie here that works
> well:
> http://www.irfanview.com/
>
> Let me know if changing out the pictures to the proper gif or jpg format
> helps with the crashing problem. If not I will keep looking, but at least
> it does appear that for some reason if you use a windows platform, the
> site will not crash.
>
> DavidF
>
> "LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:E8FDFD50-E32C-4A11-9DB2-636E41D06E8B@microsoft.com...
>
>

LBorchert

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

David,

I will work on the suggestions today and get back with you on the results.
I thought I had my images compressed, apparently I messed up. Thanks again.

Lori

"DavidF" wrote:
[color=darkred]
> Lori,
>
> I did some follow-up this morning. While studying the HTML output from your
> file, I saw that the wmf files were converted to wmz files during the
> Publish to the Web process of producing the html files. I then found a
> reference where wmz files could crash IE. I also found that the .bmp file
> was converted to emz file, though no reference about it crashing IE.
>
> With this information in hand, I reviewed another file, another poster sent
> me back in August, who was having the same problem. I had also posted his
> site on my windows platform host, and once again it loaded ok, but moving
> his site to a windows host wasn't practical...not that it is for you. This
> time when I looked at his file I noticed he too had used wmf files
> extensively.
>
> I would suggest that you convert the wmf files to gif formats, reinsert them
> into your document, produce new html, and upload it. At some point you
> really should reduce the size of all your images as per my past post, but I
> would be curious if the conversion of wmf to gif in your Pub file will solve
> the crashing problem.
>
> DavidF
>
> "DavidF" <Nope@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:u2KyVupOHHA.2140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

LBorchert

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! I made sure all my images were in jpeg or
gifs and guess what! NO MORE CRASHES in IE6. I never knew before your post
that I could view how my images were saved (Graphic Manager). I made sure I
rated your response, David. I am smilin' right now and dancing a happy
little jig. ~ Lori

BTW-Next on the agenda is resizing. I did on a few and it makes a lot of
difference. : )

"LBorchert" wrote:
[color=darkred]
> David,
>
> I will work on the suggestions today and get back with you on the results.
> I thought I had my images compressed, apparently I messed up. Thanks again.
>
> Lori
>
>
> "DavidF" wrote:
>

DavidF

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Lori,

I'll dance a bit of jig myself. I appreciate you taking the time to work
through this, and the experiments I suggested. You helped solve an issue
with Publisher websites that has frustrated us for some time. So, you are
very welcome.

Another tip. Open your index_files folder in Windows Explorer on your
computer. Then you can look through the file sizes of all the images to spot
the ones that are very large. One example is a map in jpg format that is 1.5
megs! Do you realize that this picture alone takes about 6 to 7 minutes to
load with a dial-up connection? Convert it to a 72 dpi, gif at around 30%
compression, and it will look better, and you will probably reduce the size
down to less than 115 kb, as just one example. Also be sure to size the
image in the third party program to the size you want to see on your
page...and then scale it to 100%, and you will get the best quality image.

Good luck.

DavidF

"LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:643F5952-C62A-4671-B128-E4185A072148@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
> THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! I made sure all my images were in jpeg
> or
> gifs and guess what! NO MORE CRASHES in IE6. I never knew before your
> post
> that I could view how my images were saved (Graphic Manager). I made sure
> I
> rated your response, David. I am smilin' right now and dancing a happy
> little jig. ~ Lori
>
> BTW-Next on the agenda is resizing. I did on a few and it makes a lot of
> difference. : )
>
> "LBorchert" wrote:
>

LBorchert

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

David,

When resizing and doing compressions: Do I do the image resize and
converting to 72dpi in my imaging editing program and the compression in
publisher? My photo editing program is PS 4.0 (I know...I need to get an
upgrade ASAP) and I don't see a compression edit. Also went converting to
dpi from a 300 to 72, is there a big difference in the way a photo looks?
Just curious. Any links where I can read about this? Thanks you.

"DavidF" wrote:
[color=darkred]
> Lori,
>
> I'll dance a bit of jig myself. I appreciate you taking the time to work
> through this, and the experiments I suggested. You helped solve an issue
> with Publisher websites that has frustrated us for some time. So, you are
> very welcome.
>
> Another tip. Open your index_files folder in Windows Explorer on your
> computer. Then you can look through the file sizes of all the images to spot
> the ones that are very large. One example is a map in jpg format that is 1.5
> megs! Do you realize that this picture alone takes about 6 to 7 minutes to
> load with a dial-up connection? Convert it to a 72 dpi, gif at around 30%
> compression, and it will look better, and you will probably reduce the size
> down to less than 115 kb, as just one example. Also be sure to size the
> image in the third party program to the size you want to see on your
> page...and then scale it to 100%, and you will get the best quality image.
>
> Good luck.
>
> DavidF
>
> "LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:643F5952-C62A-4671-B128-E4185A072148@microsoft.com...

DavidF

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Good morning Lori,

Don't worry about upgrading your image editing software. All you need is the
ability to convert images to jpg and gif formats, and to resample and resize
them. Once you figure out a work flow it will go pretty quickly.

A 300 dpi image should only be used for print documents. 72 dpi for the web.
When you insert an image that is say 1600x1200 pixels into your Publisher
page, and then resize the picture frame in Publisher to fit your design, the
original image displays at your custom size, but the actual image is still
the original, and the original size and dimension. The Publisher 2003
compression feature, in theory resamples and resizes, and thus compresses
the original image and makes a copy of the display size. This should also in
theory reduce the file size of your html output, and of course increase the
loading speed of the image.

Another complication is the fact that Publisher produces copies of your
inserted images when you Publish to the Web and produce your html files. It
will sometimes make gif, jp and even png copies of your inserted image, and
then, once again in theory, serve up the best picture depending upon the
browser that the viewer uses. If you Publish to your hard drive and study
your output you will see all these extra pictures. This is partly the reason
that the wmf images were converted to wmz.

I find that if you resize and resample your original pictures in your image
editing program, before you insert them, and then display them at 100%
scale, you get better results. The pictures are usually better quality, less
blurry and you don't need to use the compression feature in Publisher
because the images don't need it. Furthermore, Publisher doesn't make
copies...it uses the original...mostly. I qualify this, because as much as I
have studied how Publisher produces images for the web, I still can't figure
out all the conditions that will result in copies.

So, the workflow I would suggest is to click on/select each image on your
Publisher page > right click > format picture > Size tab. Under Size and
Rotate you will see the height and width of the pictures in pixels, and
under Scale you will see at what % the image is displayed. You should note
the height and width, and then go into your image editing program and resize
your image to those dimensions, save a copy, and switch it out for the other
image in your Publisher page. Then when you look at the scale, it should be
100%. For example from your original Pub file, and the first page, select
the boomtown picture > right click > format picture > Size tab. You will see
that your picture is 192.633 x 130.918 and 23% scale. It also tells you at
the bottom of this dialog that your original is 849 x 577. So, open your
original image in your image editing program and resize/resample the image
to perhaps 193 pixels wide, leaving the aspect ratio locked, which will
resize the height proportionally. Then I am assuming that PS 4.0 has a File
> Save For Web feature like Photoshop Elements does. That opens a dialog
that lets you choose between a jpg or a gif at various compressions, which
will give you various final file size and quality, but all at 193 pixels
wide. Choose gif for maps and such to get the smallest, most legible
pictures....choose jpg for images that require more colors. I don't see any
images on your first page that would need to be jpgs...all will probably
look great as gifs, and few colors, and will be smaller in file size, and
thus load the fastest. If PS4.0 doesn't have the Save For Web feature, then
you can also change the dpi when you change the dimensions. (You might
experiment with producing 96dpi images too.) Anyway, approaching this in
this way, I was able to reduce the size of your boomtown image to a 21.5 kb
gif at 32 colors, that looks as good as your image....and loads fast.

There are lots of good sites out there about optimizing your images for the
web...just google for "optimizing images for the web". I even see some links
for doing it in PS. Even the instructions under Help in your image editor
would have good information. I also think that Scantips.com is excellent.
Try this link: http://www.scantips.com/no72dpi.html

Well, that is probably more than you wanted to know. You have to be careful
about asking my advice...I am likely to give it ];> ).

DavidF

"LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:409CE1D2-2DF9-4375-99A7-0528934FC68B@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
> David,
>
> When resizing and doing compressions: Do I do the image resize and
> converting to 72dpi in my imaging editing program and the compression in
> publisher? My photo editing program is PS 4.0 (I know...I need to get an
> upgrade ASAP) and I don't see a compression edit. Also went converting to
> dpi from a 300 to 72, is there a big difference in the way a photo looks?
> Just curious. Any links where I can read about this? Thanks you.
>
> "DavidF" wrote:
>

LBorchert

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

I am in the process of "giving my site a new look" (still using Publisher!)
until I can drown myself in Dreamweaver. And you helping me with the
Publisher issues gives me more time. ( I really do like Publisher) The
information on properly sizing the images will help me alot. The site
already looks much better than what it did and is alot faster for those that
still use dial up. I have a long way to go and lots more to learn. I am
sure I will be checking back with the "Discussion Group" for more tips. My
hat is off to you David. Thanks.

"DavidF" wrote:
[color=darkred]
> Good morning Lori,
>
> Don't worry about upgrading your image editing software. All you need is the
> ability to convert images to jpg and gif formats, and to resample and resize
> them. Once you figure out a work flow it will go pretty quickly.
>
> A 300 dpi image should only be used for print documents. 72 dpi for the web.
> When you insert an image that is say 1600x1200 pixels into your Publisher
> page, and then resize the picture frame in Publisher to fit your design, the
> original image displays at your custom size, but the actual image is still
> the original, and the original size and dimension. The Publisher 2003
> compression feature, in theory resamples and resizes, and thus compresses
> the original image and makes a copy of the display size. This should also in
> theory reduce the file size of your html output, and of course increase the
> loading speed of the image.
>
> Another complication is the fact that Publisher produces copies of your
> inserted images when you Publish to the Web and produce your html files. It
> will sometimes make gif, jp and even png copies of your inserted image, and
> then, once again in theory, serve up the best picture depending upon the
> browser that the viewer uses. If you Publish to your hard drive and study
> your output you will see all these extra pictures. This is partly the reason
> that the wmf images were converted to wmz.
>
> I find that if you resize and resample your original pictures in your image
> editing program, before you insert them, and then display them at 100%
> scale, you get better results. The pictures are usually better quality, less
> blurry and you don't need to use the compression feature in Publisher
> because the images don't need it. Furthermore, Publisher doesn't make
> copies...it uses the original...mostly. I qualify this, because as much as I
> have studied how Publisher produces images for the web, I still can't figure
> out all the conditions that will result in copies.
>
> So, the workflow I would suggest is to click on/select each image on your
> Publisher page > right click > format picture > Size tab. Under Size and
> Rotate you will see the height and width of the pictures in pixels, and
> under Scale you will see at what % the image is displayed. You should note
> the height and width, and then go into your image editing program and resize
> your image to those dimensions, save a copy, and switch it out for the other
> image in your Publisher page. Then when you look at the scale, it should be
> 100%. For example from your original Pub file, and the first page, select
> the boomtown picture > right click > format picture > Size tab. You will see
> that your picture is 192.633 x 130.918 and 23% scale. It also tells you at
> the bottom of this dialog that your original is 849 x 577. So, open your
> original image in your image editing program and resize/resample the image
> to perhaps 193 pixels wide, leaving the aspect ratio locked, which will
> resize the height proportionally. Then I am assuming that PS 4.0 has a File
> that lets you choose between a jpg or a gif at various compressions, which
> will give you various final file size and quality, but all at 193 pixels
> wide. Choose gif for maps and such to get the smallest, most legible
> pictures....choose jpg for images that require more colors. I don't see any
> images on your first page that would need to be jpgs...all will probably
> look great as gifs, and few colors, and will be smaller in file size, and
> thus load the fastest. If PS4.0 doesn't have the Save For Web feature, then
> you can also change the dpi when you change the dimensions. (You might
> experiment with producing 96dpi images too.) Anyway, approaching this in
> this way, I was able to reduce the size of your boomtown image to a 21.5 kb
> gif at 32 colors, that looks as good as your image....and loads fast.
>
> There are lots of good sites out there about optimizing your images for the
> web...just google for "optimizing images for the web". I even see some links
> for doing it in PS. Even the instructions under Help in your image editor
> would have good information. I also think that Scantips.com is excellent.
> Try this link: http://www.scantips.com/no72dpi.html
>
> Well, that is probably more than you wanted to know. You have to be careful
> about asking my advice...I am likely to give it ];> ).
>
> DavidF
>
>
> "LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:409CE1D2-2DF9-4375-99A7-0528934FC68B@microsoft.com...

Mike Koewler

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Lori,

Before you plunk down some serious cash for Dreamweaver, I suggest you
take a look at WebPlus 10 from Serif. It has a host of features, doesn't
require an web coding knowledge (unless you want to insert html or php
fragments) and is pretty much WYSIWYG.

If you have any specific questions, you are welcome to e-mail me.

Mike

LBorchert wrote:[color=darkred]
> I am in the process of "giving my site a new look" (still using Publisher!)
> until I can drown myself in Dreamweaver. And you helping me with the
> Publisher issues gives me more time. ( I really do like Publisher) The
> information on properly sizing the images will help me alot. The site
> already looks much better than what it did and is alot faster for those that
> still use dial up. I have a long way to go and lots more to learn. I am
> sure I will be checking back with the "Discussion Group" for more tips. My
> hat is off to you David. Thanks.
>
> "DavidF" wrote:
>
>

DavidF

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Lori,

Glad to help. I understand your reluctance to move away from Publisher. I am
still using Pub 2000 for my sites, and enjoy the challenge making it do what
I want it to do. Still, at some point you will probably outgrow it.

Good luck.

DavidF

"LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:DF24A8DE-15F4-4851-8C76-6B0584A3431F@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>I am in the process of "giving my site a new look" (still using Publisher!)
> until I can drown myself in Dreamweaver. And you helping me with the
> Publisher issues gives me more time. ( I really do like Publisher) The
> information on properly sizing the images will help me alot. The site
> already looks much better than what it did and is alot faster for those
> that
> still use dial up. I have a long way to go and lots more to learn. I
> am
> sure I will be checking back with the "Discussion Group" for more tips.
> My
> hat is off to you David. Thanks.
>
> "DavidF" wrote:
>

LBorchert

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Mike,

I have already purchased Dreamweaver, been to a class but I think it maybe
way over my head. I know I have lots of work ahead of me with this program.
I am curious as to what WebPlus is all about and of course the cost.

"Mike Koewler" wrote:
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> Lori,
>
> Before you plunk down some serious cash for Dreamweaver, I suggest you
> take a look at WebPlus 10 from Serif. It has a host of features, doesn't
> require an web coding knowledge (unless you want to insert html or php
> fragments) and is pretty much WYSIWYG.
>
> If you have any specific questions, you are welcome to e-mail me.
>
> Mike
>
> LBorchert wrote:

Mike Koewler

2007-01-27, 10:40 pm

Lori,

Here's a basic description:
http://www.serif.com/webplus/webplu...-highlights.asp

It lists at $79.99 but I've never known Serif to be unwilling to
negotiate a lower price. I had never used it before (what little web
stuff I did, I was using PagePlus which is very similar to Publisher)
but found the learning curve so simple that it was almost non-existent.

Mike

LBorchert wrote:
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> Mike,
>
> I have already purchased Dreamweaver, been to a class but I think it maybe
> way over my head. I know I have lots of work ahead of me with this program.
> I am curious as to what WebPlus is all about and of course the cost.
>
> "Mike Koewler" wrote:
>
>

Rob Giordano $Crash$

2007-01-30, 9:40 am

The learning curve for DW is pretty steep. You might want to consider
FrontPage or it's replacement; Expression Web (there's a free trial on
this).

"LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:759C0539-7A9B-4985-BC0C-243FF89B773B@microsoft.com...
| Mike,
|
| I have already purchased Dreamweaver, been to a class but I think it maybe
| way over my head. I know I have lots of work ahead of me with this
program.
| I am curious as to what WebPlus is all about and of course the cost.
|
| "Mike Koewler" wrote:
|
| > Lori,
| >
| > Before you plunk down some serious cash for Dreamweaver, I suggest you
| > take a look at WebPlus 10 from Serif. It has a host of features, doesn't
| > require an web coding knowledge (unless you want to insert html or php
| > fragments) and is pretty much WYSIWYG.
| >
| > If you have any specific questions, you are welcome to e-mail me.
| >
| > Mike
| >
| > LBorchert wrote:
| > > I am in the process of "giving my site a new look" (still using
Publisher!)
| > > until I can drown myself in Dreamweaver. And you helping me with the
| > > Publisher issues gives me more time. ( I really do like Publisher)
The
| > > information on properly sizing the images will help me alot. The site
| > > already looks much better than what it did and is alot faster for
those that
| > > still use dial up. I have a long way to go and lots more to learn.
I am
| > > sure I will be checking back with the "Discussion Group" for more
tips. My
| > > hat is off to you David. Thanks.
| > >
| > > "DavidF" wrote:
| > >
| > >
| > >>Good morning Lori,
| > >>
| > >>Don't worry about upgrading your image editing software. All you need
is the
| > >>ability to convert images to jpg and gif formats, and to resample and
resize
| > >>them. Once you figure out a work flow it will go pretty quickly.
| > >>
| > >>A 300 dpi image should only be used for print documents. 72 dpi for
the web.
| > >>When you insert an image that is say 1600x1200 pixels into your
Publisher
| > >>page, and then resize the picture frame in Publisher to fit your
design, the
| > >>original image displays at your custom size, but the actual image is
still
| > >>the original, and the original size and dimension. The Publisher 2003
| > >>compression feature, in theory resamples and resizes, and thus
compresses
| > >>the original image and makes a copy of the display size. This should
also in
| > >>theory reduce the file size of your html output, and of course
increase the
| > >>loading speed of the image.
| > >>
| > >>Another complication is the fact that Publisher produces copies of
your
| > >>inserted images when you Publish to the Web and produce your html
files. It
| > >>will sometimes make gif, jp and even png copies of your inserted
image, and
| > >>then, once again in theory, serve up the best picture depending upon
the
| > >>browser that the viewer uses. If you Publish to your hard drive and
study
| > >>your output you will see all these extra pictures. This is partly the
reason
| > >>that the wmf images were converted to wmz.
| > >>
| > >>I find that if you resize and resample your original pictures in your
image
| > >>editing program, before you insert them, and then display them at 100%
| > >>scale, you get better results. The pictures are usually better
quality, less
| > >>blurry and you don't need to use the compression feature in Publisher
| > >>because the images don't need it. Furthermore, Publisher doesn't make
| > >>copies...it uses the original...mostly. I qualify this, because as
much as I
| > >>have studied how Publisher produces images for the web, I still can't
figure
| > >>out all the conditions that will result in copies.
| > >>
| > >>So, the workflow I would suggest is to click on/select each image on
your
| > >>Publisher page > right click > format picture > Size tab. Under Size
and
| > >>Rotate you will see the height and width of the pictures in pixels,
and
| > >>under Scale you will see at what % the image is displayed. You should
note
| > >>the height and width, and then go into your image editing program and
resize
| > >>your image to those dimensions, save a copy, and switch it out for the
other
| > >>image in your Publisher page. Then when you look at the scale, it
should be
| > >>100%. For example from your original Pub file, and the first page,
select
| > >>the boomtown picture > right click > format picture > Size tab. You
will see
| > >>that your picture is 192.633 x 130.918 and 23% scale. It also tells
you at
| > >>the bottom of this dialog that your original is 849 x 577. So, open
your
| > >>original image in your image editing program and resize/resample the
image
| > >>to perhaps 193 pixels wide, leaving the aspect ratio locked, which
will
| > >>resize the height proportionally. Then I am assuming that PS 4.0 has a
File
| > >> > Save For Web feature like Photoshop Elements does. That opens a
dialog
| > >>that lets you choose between a jpg or a gif at various compressions,
which
| > >>will give you various final file size and quality, but all at 193
pixels
| > >>wide. Choose gif for maps and such to get the smallest, most legible
| > >>pictures....choose jpg for images that require more colors. I don't
see any
| > >>images on your first page that would need to be jpgs...all will
probably
| > >>look great as gifs, and few colors, and will be smaller in file size,
and
| > >>thus load the fastest. If PS4.0 doesn't have the Save For Web feature,
then
| > >>you can also change the dpi when you change the dimensions. (You might
| > >>experiment with producing 96dpi images too.) Anyway, approaching this
in
| > >>this way, I was able to reduce the size of your boomtown image to a
21.5 kb
| > >>gif at 32 colors, that looks as good as your image....and loads fast.
| > >>
| > >>There are lots of good sites out there about optimizing your images
for the
| > >>web...just google for "optimizing images for the web". I even see some
links
| > >>for doing it in PS. Even the instructions under Help in your image
editor
| > >>would have good information. I also think that Scantips.com is
excellent.
| > >>Try this link: http://www.scantips.com/no72dpi.html
| > >>
| > >>Well, that is probably more than you wanted to know. You have to be
careful
| > >>about asking my advice...I am likely to give it ];> ).
| > >>
| > >>DavidF
| > >>
| > >>
| > >>"LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > >>news:409CE1D2-2DF9-4375-99A7-0528934FC68B@microsoft.com...
| > >>
| > >>>David,
| > >>>
| > >>>When resizing and doing compressions: Do I do the image resize and
| > >>>converting to 72dpi in my imaging editing program and the compression
in
| > >>>publisher? My photo editing program is PS 4.0 (I know...I need to
get an
| > >>>upgrade ASAP) and I don't see a compression edit. Also went
converting to
| > >>>dpi from a 300 to 72, is there a big difference in the way a photo
looks?
| > >>>Just curious. Any links where I can read about this? Thanks you.
| > >>>
| > >>>"DavidF" wrote:
| > >>>
| > >>>
| > >>>>Lori,
| > >>>>
| > >>>>I'll dance a bit of jig myself. I appreciate you taking the time to
work
| > >>>>through this, and the experiments I suggested. You helped solve an
issue
| > >>>>with Publisher websites that has frustrated us for some time. So,
you are
| > >>>>very welcome.
| > >>>>
| > >>>>Another tip. Open your index_files folder in Windows Explorer on
your
| > >>>>computer. Then you can look through the file sizes of all the images
to
| > >>>>spot
| > >>>>the ones that are very large. One example is a map in jpg format
that is
| > >>>>1.5
| > >>>>megs! Do you realize that this picture alone takes about 6 to 7
minutes
| > >>>>to
| > >>>>load with a dial-up connection? Convert it to a 72 dpi, gif at
around 30%
| > >>>>compression, and it will look better, and you will probably reduce
the
| > >>>>size
| > >>>>down to less than 115 kb, as just one example. Also be sure to size
the
| > >>>>image in the third party program to the size you want to see on your
| > >>>>page...and then scale it to 100%, and you will get the best quality
| > >>>>image.
| > >>>>
| > >>>>Good luck.
| > >>>>
| > >>>>DavidF
| > >>>>
| > >>>>"LBorchert" <LBorchert@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
| > >>>>news:643F5952-C62A-4671-B128-E4185A072148@microsoft.com...
| > >>>>
| > >>>>>THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU! I made sure all my images were
in
| > >>>>>jpeg
| > >>>>>or
| > >>>>>gifs and guess what! NO MORE CRASHES in IE6. I never knew before
your
| > >>>>>post
| > >>>>>that I could view how my images were saved (Graphic Manager). I
made
| > >>>>>sure
| > >>>>>I
| > >>>>>rated your response, David. I am smilin' right now and dancing a
| > >>>>>happy
| > >>>>>little jig. ~ Lori
| > >>>>>
| > >>>>>BTW-Next on the agenda is resizing. I did on a few and it makes a
lot
| > >>>>>of
| > >>>>>difference. : )
| > >>>>>
| > >>>>>"LBorchert" wrote:
| > >>>>>
| > >>>>>
| > >>>>>>David,
| > >>>>>>
| > >>>>>>I will work on the suggestions today and get back with you on the
| > >>>>>>results.
| > >>>>>>I thought I had my images compressed, apparently I messed up.
Thanks
| > >>>>>>again.
| > >>>>>>
| > >>>>>>Lori
| > >>>>>>
| > >>>>>>
| > >>>>>>"DavidF" wrote:
| > >>>>>>
| > >>>>>>
| > >>>>>>>Lori,
| > >>>>>>>
| > >>>>>>>I did some follow-up this morning. While studying the HTML output
| > >>>>>>>from
| > >>>>>>>your
| > >>>>>>>file, I saw that the wmf files were converted to wmz files during
| > >>>>>>>the
| > >>>>>>>Publish to the Web process of producing the html files. I then
found
| > >>>>>>>a
| > >>>>>>>reference where wmz files could crash IE. I also found that the
..bmp
| > >>>>>>>file
| > >>>>>>>was converted to emz file, though no reference about it crashing
IE.
| > >>>>>>>
| > >>>>>>>With this information in hand, I reviewed another file, another
| > >>>>>>>poster
| > >>>>>>>sent
| > >>>>>>>me back in August, who was having the same problem. I had also
| > >>>>>>>posted
| > >>>>>>>his
| > >>>>>>>site on my windows platform host, and once again it loaded ok,
but
| > >>>>>>>moving
| > >>>>>>>his site to a windows host wasn't practical...not that it is for
| > >>>>>>>you.
| > >>>>>>>This
| > >>>>>>>time when I looked at his file I noticed he too had used wmf
files
| > >>>>>>>extensively.
| > >>>>>>>
| > >>>>>>>I would suggest that you convert the wmf files to gif formats,
| > >>>>>>>reinsert
| > >>>>>>>them
| > >>>>>>>into your document, produce new html, and upload it. At some
point
| > >>>>>>>you
| > >>>>>>>really should reduce the size of all your images as per my past
| > >>>>>>>post,
| > >>>>>>>but I
| > >>>>>>>would be curious if the conversion of wmf to gif in your Pub file
| > >>>>>>>will
| > >>>>>>>solve
| > >>>>>>>the crashing problem.
| > >>>>>>>
| > >>>>>>>DavidF
| > >>>>>>>
| > >>>>>>>"DavidF" <Nope@nospam.com> wrote in message
| > >>>>>>>news:u2KyVupOHHA.2140@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
| > >>>>>>>
| > >>>>>>>>Lori,
| > >>>>>>>>
| > >>>>>>>>I published the three pages to my webhost which has a windows
| > >>>>>>>>platform,
| > >>>>>>>>and it does not crash IE6.
| > >>>>>>>>
| > >>>>>>>>I did find two things on the home page and the Calendar page,
that
| > >>>>>>>>might
| > >>>>>>>>be contributing to, or even cause the pages to crash. One your
| > >>>>>>>>home
| > >>>>>>>>page,
| > >>>>>>>>page 1 or your Pub file, you have a Mapquest map image. Go to
| > >>>>>>>>tools >
| > >>>>>>>>Graphics Manager, and that file is called worldmap.wmf. You
should
| > >>>>>>>>only be
| > >>>>>>>>using .jpg, .gif, or .png formatted image files in a web site.
You
| > >>>>>>>>also
| > >>>>>>>>have the bookcover of Lynchings...as lynchingw.bmp...convert it
| > >>>>>>>>too.
| > >>>>>>>>
| > >>>>>>>>One the third page, the Calendar page, you have another .wmf
| > >>>>>>>>image...the
| > >>>>>>>>judges gavel.
| > >>>>>>>>
| > >>>>>>>>I am hoping you have an image editing program. You should
convert
| > >>>>>>>>all
| > >>>>>>>>three of these images to either a .jpg or .gif file. I would
| > >>>>>>>>recommend
| > >>>>>>>>.gif files for maps, icons, etc where there are few colors. I
get
| > >>>>>>>>smaller
| > >>>>>>>>file sizes and faster loading images, and they are more clear
than
| > >>>>>>>>jpgs.
| > >>>>>>>>Use .jpg for more images with lots of details and colors...
| > >>>>>>>>
| > >>>>>>>>While you are at it, you also have two "images" without any
| > >>>>>>>>extensions on
| > >>>>>>>>page two...the compasses "symbol" on the maps. One is hidden
| > >>>>>>>>behind
| > >>>>>>>>the
| > >>>>>>>>smaller map...use the arrange tool to bring that one to the
front.
| > >>>>>>>>It
| > >>>>>>>>appears that these are .emf files, and they too should be
| > >>>>>>>>converted
| > >>>>>>>>to
| > >>>>>>>>.gifs. And for that matter while you are in the graphics
manager,
| > >>>>>>>>look for
| > >>>>>>>>other images throughout your site that are incorrectly
formatted.
| > >>>>>>>>
| > >>>>>>>>As I said, the one thing in common with the home page and the
| > >>>>>>>>calendar
| > >>>>>>>>page is your use of .wmf images. Change these to .gifs, along
with
| > >>>>>>>>the
| > >>>>>>>>other images I spotted, and see if that makes any difference.
| > >>>>>>>>
| > >>>>>>>>But before you republish, you also need to reduce the size of
| > >>>>>>>>those
| > >>>>>>>>images. The html output for just those three pages was close to
3
| > >>>>>>>>megs...it should be FAR less than that. You can compress them
| > >>>>>>>>through
| > >>>>>>>>Publisher. Read this reference: Compress graphics file sizes to
| > >>>>>>>>create
| > >>>>>>>>smaller Publisher Web pages:
| > >>>>>>>>http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/p...1266301033.aspx
| > >>>>>>>>
| > >>>>>>>>Though compressing them via Publisher will help, if you want
your
| > >>>>>>>>images
| > >>>>>>>>to look the best they can, then you should size them, and
optimize
| > >>>>>>>>them
| > >>>>>>>>before you insert them, and then scale them at 100%. If you
select
| > >>>>>>>>the
| > >>>>>>>>image > Right click > Format picture and look under the Size
tab,
| > >>>>>>>>you
| > >>>>>>>>will
| > >>>>>>>>see the scale. If you don't have an image editor such as Adobe
| > >>>>>>>>Photoshop...or Photoshop Elements, you can get a freebie here
that
| > >>>>>>>>works
| > >>>>>>>>well:
| > >>>>>>>>http://www.irfanview.com/
| > >>>>>>>>
| > >>>>>>>>Let me know if changing out the pictures to the proper gif or
jpg
| > >>>>>>>>format
| > >>>>>>>>helps with the crashing problem. If not I will keep looking, but
| > >>>>>>>>at