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Why published page is different

Rick Budde

2004-09-29, 7:17 pm

In order to better assist you, please answer the
following questions.

1. Define what you mean by the term "remote site". Is
this the site that is hosted on the web? It seems from
your question that is is not? I can't guess what else it
might be without further input from you.
2. Does your host support the Front Page Extesnions?
3. Detail the steps you used to "publish" the site.

>-----Original Message-----
>It all started when I turned my website from plain to
framed idex page. Two
>components that I added to the page after the change to
frames don't show
>correctly. Both are in the index page. First one is a
link of the navigation
>bar. It shows in my "remote side" page, but doens't show
on the web. The
>second is a paragraph of text doesn't get published to
the "remote site"
>page. Notice the two problems are not exactly the same.
My attempt to
>republish the page by deleting the page in "remote site"
didn't work.
>Please help.
>.
>

Greg

2004-09-29, 7:18 pm

Hi Rich, sorr for the confusion. By "remote site" I meant the published
folder that is viewable in FrontPage, should be called "remote web site", and
it is hosted on the web. "Original site" is "Local Web Site" in FrontPage.
The problems are: 1) there are five links in the link bars in both the
"local web site" and the "remote web site", but there are only four links if
I view the page in Internet Explorer. 2) there is one paragraph and a
thumbnail picture in the "local web site" doesn't show in either "remote web
site" or on the web.
Both problematic components were added to the page after I converted it to
frames page.
Hope that clarifies. Regards

BTW, the domain name is salicule.poctkits.com

"Rick Budde" wrote:

> In order to better assist you, please answer the
> following questions.
>
> 1. Define what you mean by the term "remote site". Is
> this the site that is hosted on the web? It seems from
> your question that is is not? I can't guess what else it
> might be without further input from you.
> 2. Does your host support the Front Page Extesnions?
> 3. Detail the steps you used to "publish" the site.
>
> framed idex page. Two
> frames don't show
> link of the navigation
> on the web. The
> the "remote site"
> My attempt to
> didn't work.
>

Greg

2004-09-29, 7:18 pm

Further, my host company surport FP extensions.
I first published the web site contain no frames pages. Everything was fine.
Before I re-publish the web site, I created a frames page as the index page
(changed the name of the original index page to index2). The link bar was of
the "contents" frame was imported from the original index page.
The new paragraph and the thumbnail pic that don't show were added after the
frames page was published and before it was republished.

"Rick Budde" wrote:

> In order to better assist you, please answer the
> following questions.
>
> 1. Define what you mean by the term "remote site". Is
> this the site that is hosted on the web? It seems from
> your question that is is not? I can't guess what else it
> might be without further input from you.
> 2. Does your host support the Front Page Extesnions?
> 3. Detail the steps you used to "publish" the site.
>
> framed idex page. Two
> frames don't show
> link of the navigation
> on the web. The
> the "remote site"
> My attempt to
> didn't work.
>

Thomas A. Rowe

2004-09-29, 7:18 pm

The FP navigation components are really not meant to be used with Frames.

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"Greg" <Greg@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Further, my host company surport FP extensions.
> I first published the web site contain no frames pages. Everything was fine.
> Before I re-publish the web site, I created a frames page as the index page
> (changed the name of the original index page to index2). The link bar was of
> the "contents" frame was imported from the original index page.
> The new paragraph and the thumbnail pic that don't show were added after the
> frames page was published and before it was republished.
>
>
> "Rick Budde" wrote:
>

Greg

2004-09-29, 7:18 pm

Thomas,
Then what is the best way to include link bars in frames?

"Thomas A. Rowe" wrote:

> The FP navigation components are really not meant to be used with Frames.
>
> --
> ==============================================
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> WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
> http://www.ycoln-resources.com
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> ==============================================
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>
> "Greg" <Greg@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>

Rick Budde

2004-09-29, 11:17 pm

I would suggest you use an Include Page component to
provide your "menu". This way any changes you might want
to make to the menu can be made in one place.

Thomas continues to warn off developers from using the
Link Bars on frame based sites. I have used Custom Link
Bars quite successfully on a frame based site but Thomas
is an MVP and I am not so I would defer to his experience.

Frame based sites do present other problems. For
instance, if a visitor to your site were to bookmark a
page for later viewing, they will only get the specific
page minus your frameset.

As I still don't understand your terminology "remote web
site", nor do I really need to at this point in time, I
thought I would provide you with some input on Front Page
terminolgy in case you need to have discussions in the
future with folks on this newsgroup.

The website that resides on your PC is referred to as
a "disk based web". The website that resides on the host
is referred to as the "server based web".

The "normal" workflow is to use the disk based web to
develop, make changes to & test web pages and hyperlinks
using Preview or Preview in browser. When the pages pass
muster, they would then be published to the server based
web for viewing on the Internet.

In the workflow of some development environments, a test
server is used in between the disk based and server based
webs. This is usually the case where siginificant
interaction between programming contained within web
pages and scripts that are resident on the server is
involved. This would happen in the case where a lot of
programming is in place behind the scenes. Your website
does not appear to be that type of site.

>-----Original Message-----
>Hi Rich, sorr for the confusion. By "remote site" I
meant the published
>folder that is viewable in FrontPage, should be
called "remote web site", and
>it is hosted on the web. "Original site" is "Local Web
Site" in FrontPage.
>The problems are: 1) there are five links in the link
bars in both the
>"local web site" and the "remote web site", but there
are only four links if
>I view the page in Internet Explorer. 2) there is one
paragraph and a
>thumbnail picture in the "local web site" doesn't show
in either "remote web
>site" or on the web.
>Both problematic components were added to the page after
I converted it to
>frames page.
>Hope that clarifies. Regards
>
>BTW, the domain name is salicule.poctkits.com
>
>"Rick Budde" wrote:
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Thomas A. Rowe

2004-09-29, 11:17 pm

Custom Link bars and the Link bar are similar, but not truly the same, however using the FP
navigation components with frames create problems in that you can not set the target value of
hyperlinks with in the FP navigation structure and the home link always point to root directory, not
a specific page.

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==============================================
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"Rick Budde" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3f2c01c4a675$798e9b70$a501280a@phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> I would suggest you use an Include Page component to
> provide your "menu". This way any changes you might want
> to make to the menu can be made in one place.
>
> Thomas continues to warn off developers from using the
> Link Bars on frame based sites. I have used Custom Link
> Bars quite successfully on a frame based site but Thomas
> is an MVP and I am not so I would defer to his experience.
>
> Frame based sites do present other problems. For
> instance, if a visitor to your site were to bookmark a
> page for later viewing, they will only get the specific
> page minus your frameset.
>
> As I still don't understand your terminology "remote web
> site", nor do I really need to at this point in time, I
> thought I would provide you with some input on Front Page
> terminolgy in case you need to have discussions in the
> future with folks on this newsgroup.
>
> The website that resides on your PC is referred to as
> a "disk based web". The website that resides on the host
> is referred to as the "server based web".
>
> The "normal" workflow is to use the disk based web to
> develop, make changes to & test web pages and hyperlinks
> using Preview or Preview in browser. When the pages pass
> muster, they would then be published to the server based
> web for viewing on the Internet.
>
> In the workflow of some development environments, a test
> server is used in between the disk based and server based
> webs. This is usually the case where siginificant
> interaction between programming contained within web
> pages and scripts that are resident on the server is
> involved. This would happen in the case where a lot of
> programming is in place behind the scenes. Your website
> does not appear to be that type of site.
>
> meant the published
> called "remote web site", and
> Site" in FrontPage.
> bars in both the
> are only four links if
> paragraph and a
> in either "remote web
> I converted it to
> it
> to
> a
> show
> to
> same.
> site"

Ronx

2004-09-30, 4:16 am

The "Local" web site is the one that is opened in FrontPage. This is
usually the site on your PC, but could be the site on the server accessible
by the public.

The "Remote" web site is the one you would publish to. This is usually the
site on the server accessible by the public, but could be the site on your
PC.

These terms are common in FP2002 and FP2003, which provide a Remote Site
view. (In FP2002 the view is only available when publishing.)

Many web builders use a server (PWS or IIS) on their PCs, so the local site
is not always disk based.

--
Ron

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"Rick Budde" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:3f2c01c4a675$798e9b70$a501280a@phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>I would suggest you use an Include Page component to
> provide your "menu". This way any changes you might want
> to make to the menu can be made in one place.
>
> Thomas continues to warn off developers from using the
> Link Bars on frame based sites. I have used Custom Link
> Bars quite successfully on a frame based site but Thomas
> is an MVP and I am not so I would defer to his experience.
>
> Frame based sites do present other problems. For
> instance, if a visitor to your site were to bookmark a
> page for later viewing, they will only get the specific
> page minus your frameset.
>
> As I still don't understand your terminology "remote web
> site", nor do I really need to at this point in time, I
> thought I would provide you with some input on Front Page
> terminolgy in case you need to have discussions in the
> future with folks on this newsgroup.
>
> The website that resides on your PC is referred to as
> a "disk based web". The website that resides on the host
> is referred to as the "server based web".
>
> The "normal" workflow is to use the disk based web to
> develop, make changes to & test web pages and hyperlinks
> using Preview or Preview in browser. When the pages pass
> muster, they would then be published to the server based
> web for viewing on the Internet.
>
> In the workflow of some development environments, a test
> server is used in between the disk based and server based
> webs. This is usually the case where siginificant
> interaction between programming contained within web
> pages and scripts that are resident on the server is
> involved. This would happen in the case where a lot of
> programming is in place behind the scenes. Your website
> does not appear to be that type of site.
>
> meant the published
> called "remote web site", and
> Site" in FrontPage.
> bars in both the
> are only four links if
> paragraph and a
> in either "remote web
> I converted it to
> it
> to
> a
> show
> to
> same.
> site"