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Kathryn

2004-09-28, 7:19 pm

Hi

I've just started using FP 2003 and a visitor to a test
page said they were told they had to download VML in
order for the pages to be viewed properly.

This was a mystery but when I checked the HTML I found
<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
had been added above the <head> command.

And this
<style>
v\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
o\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
..shape { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
</style>
<![endif]-->
just before the </head> bit....

Am trying to recreate the page in Split view to see if/
when the problem occurs but wonder if anyone has any idea
what might be going on...

I can obviously delete it on a couple of pages but wonder
why it appeared in the first place ....

Any help greatly appreciated

The page is http://portsmouth-dio.org.uk/gtix/

Kathryn

Kevin Spencer

2004-09-28, 7:19 pm

You didn't use FrontPage to get THAT HTML. You used an Office desktop app,
such as Word, and pasted the content into an HTML document. Word is not
designed to be used as an HTML editor, although, to a certain very limited
extent, it can be. However, your best bet is to use FrontPage to create your
content. It IS an HTML editor.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
..Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
I get paid good money to
solve puzzles for a living

"Kathryn" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:025c01c4a58f$f47c9c10$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> Hi
>
> I've just started using FP 2003 and a visitor to a test
> page said they were told they had to download VML in
> order for the pages to be viewed properly.
>
> This was a mystery but when I checked the HTML I found
> <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
> xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
> had been added above the <head> command.
>
> And this
> <style>
> v\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
> o\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
> .shape { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
> </style>
> <![endif]-->
> just before the </head> bit....
>
> Am trying to recreate the page in Split view to see if/
> when the problem occurs but wonder if anyone has any idea
> what might be going on...
>
> I can obviously delete it on a couple of pages but wonder
> why it appeared in the first place ....
>
> Any help greatly appreciated
>
> The page is http://portsmouth-dio.org.uk/gtix/
>
> Kathryn
>
>

Mark Fitzpatrick

2004-09-28, 7:19 pm

Why they received it depends upon the browser. VML is a new feature for
enabling drawing in web pages and is only supported in the very latest
browser versions. It could be that a user is being asked to download a
viewer just to view this vector image because, even though their browser may
not support it, it may know what to do in order to support it. Basically,
this creates your Growing Together in Christ logo if VML is enabled, or
shows the graphic if it isn't. I would dump all the VML and just use the
graphic instead since it will avoid these problems.

Hope this helps,
Mark Fitzpatrick
Microsoft MVP- FrontPage

"Kathryn" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:025c01c4a58f$f47c9c10$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> Hi
>
> I've just started using FP 2003 and a visitor to a test
> page said they were told they had to download VML in
> order for the pages to be viewed properly.
>
> This was a mystery but when I checked the HTML I found
> <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
> xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
> xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
> had been added above the <head> command.
>
> And this
> <style>
> v\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
> o\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
> .shape { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
> </style>
> <![endif]-->
> just before the </head> bit....
>
> Am trying to recreate the page in Split view to see if/
> when the problem occurs but wonder if anyone has any idea
> what might be going on...
>
> I can obviously delete it on a couple of pages but wonder
> why it appeared in the first place ....
>
> Any help greatly appreciated
>
> The page is http://portsmouth-dio.org.uk/gtix/
>
> Kathryn
>
>

Mike Mueller

2004-09-28, 7:19 pm

Kathryn-

VML is a sign that Word Art was used. If you need to have
something fancy, place it into an image

Mike

********************

Kathryn wrote:
: Hi
:
: I've just started using FP 2003 and a visitor to a test
: page said they were told they had to download VML in
: order for the pages to be viewed properly.
:
: This was a mystery but when I checked the HTML I found
: <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
: xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
: xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
: had been added above the <head> command.
:
: And this
: <style>
: v\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
: o\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
: .shape { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
: </style>
: <![endif]-->
: just before the </head> bit....
:
: Am trying to recreate the page in Split view to see if/
: when the problem occurs but wonder if anyone has any idea
: what might be going on...
:
: I can obviously delete it on a couple of pages but wonder
: why it appeared in the first place ....
:
: Any help greatly appreciated
:
: The page is http://portsmouth-dio.org.uk/gtix/
:
: Kathryn

KAthryn

2004-09-28, 7:19 pm

Hi

This sounds likely - another respondent thought I'd
produced the WordArt in Word & imported but I had
actually done it from WordArt in FP which - from the
coding - seems to have dealt with it as something from
Word.

When I've done this in the past I used to do the Word Art
in Word and take it into Image Composer which allowed me
to save it as a jpeg. I'm at the moment working out how
to do this in the Digital Image Suite... hopefully once
I've cracked that this will be a problem of the past!

For now they'll have to have simple text ... it's more
important that it's online and useable than pretty...

Many thanks - Will have great pleasure in saying how
quick a response i got from the newsgroup!

Kathryn
>-----Original Message-----
>Why they received it depends upon the browser. VML is a
new feature for
>enabling drawing in web pages and is only supported in
the very latest
>browser versions. It could be that a user is being asked
to download a
>viewer just to view this vector image because, even
though their browser may
>not support it, it may know what to do in order to
support it. Basically,
>this creates your Growing Together in Christ logo if VML
is enabled, or
>shows the graphic if it isn't. I would dump all the VML
and just use the
>graphic instead since it will avoid these problems.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Mark Fitzpatrick
> Microsoft MVP- FrontPage
>
>"Kathryn" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
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>
>
>.
>

Kathryn

2004-09-28, 7:19 pm

HI

The problem is that I did it all in FrontPage. It looks
as if somehow the Word Art is linked to FP and FP treats
it as a sort if import. I don't understand it really but
what I used to do was do the WordArt in Word and then
take it into Image Composer which let you turn it into a
jpg... haven't worked out how to get Digital Image Suite
to do that yet!

Will just chenge to text for now and work out the
niceties later

Thanks for your response

Kathryn
>-----Original Message-----
>You didn't use FrontPage to get THAT HTML. You used an
Office desktop app,
>such as Word, and pasted the content into an HTML
document. Word is not
>designed to be used as an HTML editor, although, to a
certain very limited
>extent, it can be. However, your best bet is to use
FrontPage to create your
>content. It IS an HTML editor.
>
>--
>HTH,
>Kevin Spencer
>..Net Developer
>Microsoft MVP
>I get paid good money to
>solve puzzles for a living
>
>"Kathryn" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
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>news:025c01c4a58f$f47c9c10$a401280a@phx.gbl...
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>
>
>.
>

Kathryn

2004-09-28, 7:19 pm

Hi

yes - seems likely - as I rebuilt the page that's where
the problems seemed to come ... so much code! What you
suggest is what I used to do when FP came with Image
Composer - will have to learn how to do it with Digital
Image Suite which I've got in its place.

Many thanks

Kathryn

>-----Original Message-----
>Kathryn-
>
>VML is a sign that Word Art was used. If you need to
have
>something fancy, place it into an image
>
>Mike
>
>********************
>
>Kathryn wrote:
>: Hi
>:
>: I've just started using FP 2003 and a visitor to a test
>: page said they were told they had to download VML in
>: order for the pages to be viewed properly.
>:
>: This was a mystery but when I checked the HTML I found
>: <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
>: xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
>: xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
>: had been added above the <head> command.
>:
>: And this
>: <style>
>: v\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
>: o\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
>: .shape { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
>: </style>
>: <![endif]-->
>: just before the </head> bit....
>:
>: Am trying to recreate the page in Split view to see if/
>: when the problem occurs but wonder if anyone has any
idea
>: what might be going on...
>:
>: I can obviously delete it on a couple of pages but
wonder
>: why it appeared in the first place ....
>:
>: Any help greatly appreciated
>:
>: The page is http://portsmouth-dio.org.uk/gtix/
>:
>: Kathryn
>
>
>.
>

Kevin Spencer

2004-09-28, 7:19 pm

Sorry, Kathryn. My mistake. I forgot that FP has Word Art in it (probably
WANTED to forget!). Here's a quick and dirty method to change it to a
suitable image:

Create the Word art in FrontPage. Use CTRL|PrintScreen to copy the screen to
the clipboard. Open Paint and paste it in. Trim the garbage from around the
image. Save as a GIF file.

Of course, if you have an image editor as you suggest, it should be even
better.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
..Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
I get paid good money to
solve puzzles for a living

"KAthryn" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:031501c4a597$38c92e90$a401280a@phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> Hi
>
> This sounds likely - another respondent thought I'd
> produced the WordArt in Word & imported but I had
> actually done it from WordArt in FP which - from the
> coding - seems to have dealt with it as something from
> Word.
>
> When I've done this in the past I used to do the Word Art
> in Word and take it into Image Composer which allowed me
> to save it as a jpeg. I'm at the moment working out how
> to do this in the Digital Image Suite... hopefully once
> I've cracked that this will be a problem of the past!
>
> For now they'll have to have simple text ... it's more
> important that it's online and useable than pretty...
>
> Many thanks - Will have great pleasure in saying how
> quick a response i got from the newsgroup!
>
> Kathryn
> new feature for
> the very latest
> to download a
> though their browser may
> support it. Basically,
> is enabled, or
> and just use the
> message
> idea
> wonder

Kevin Spencer

2004-09-28, 7:19 pm

Yup. My apologies. See my previous reply.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
..Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
I get paid good money to
solve puzzles for a living

"Kathryn" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:30cd01c4a598$23718230$a501280a@phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> HI
>
> The problem is that I did it all in FrontPage. It looks
> as if somehow the Word Art is linked to FP and FP treats
> it as a sort if import. I don't understand it really but
> what I used to do was do the WordArt in Word and then
> take it into Image Composer which let you turn it into a
> jpg... haven't worked out how to get Digital Image Suite
> to do that yet!
>
> Will just chenge to text for now and work out the
> niceties later
>
> Thanks for your response
>
> Kathryn
> Office desktop app,
> document. Word is not
> certain very limited
> FrontPage to create your
> message
> idea
> wonder

Thomas A. Rowe

2004-09-28, 7:19 pm

If you still have the FP98 CD or FP2000 Standalone version, second CD, you can install Image
Composer.

--
==============================================
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WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
http://www.ycoln-resources.com
FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
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"Kathryn" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:0f2101c4a598$b8410f20$a601280a@phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> Hi
>
>
> yes - seems likely - as I rebuilt the page that's where
> the problems seemed to come ... so much code! What you
> suggest is what I used to do when FP came with Image
> Composer - will have to learn how to do it with Digital
> Image Suite which I've got in its place.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Kathryn
>
>
> have
> idea
> wonder

Kathryn

2004-09-28, 7:19 pm

Think I may do that - assumed that Digital Image Suite
could do it but Image Composer was just so friendly!
Maybe just long acquaintance!

Mnay thanks

Kathryn

>-----Original Message-----
>If you still have the FP98 CD or FP2000 Standalone
version, second CD, you can install Image
>Composer.
>
>--
>==============================================
>Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
>WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
>http://www.ycoln-resources.com
>FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
>==============================================
>To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage
support see:
>http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
>
>"Kathryn" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
>news:0f2101c4a598$b8410f20$a601280a@phx.gbl...
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found[color=darkred]
if/[color=darkred]
>
>
>.
>

Thomas A. Rowe

2004-09-28, 11:15 pm

I have both, but use MIC for web related images and DIS for photos not related to web use.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
http://www.ycoln-resources.com
FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

"Kathryn" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:044501c4a5a9$898e0aa0$a401280a@phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> Think I may do that - assumed that Digital Image Suite
> could do it but Image Composer was just so friendly!
> Maybe just long acquaintance!
>
> Mnay thanks
>
> Kathryn
>
> version, second CD, you can install Image
> support see:
> message
> test
> found
> if/

Andrew Murray

2004-09-30, 7:15 am

WordArt - that's your problem Frontpage treats WordArt as VML objects.

"Kathryn" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:30cd01c4a598$23718230$a501280a@phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> HI
>
> The problem is that I did it all in FrontPage. It looks
> as if somehow the Word Art is linked to FP and FP treats
> it as a sort if import. I don't understand it really but
> what I used to do was do the WordArt in Word and then
> take it into Image Composer which let you turn it into a
> jpg... haven't worked out how to get Digital Image Suite
> to do that yet!
>
> Will just chenge to text for now and work out the
> niceties later
>
> Thanks for your response
>
> Kathryn
> Office desktop app,
> document. Word is not
> certain very limited
> FrontPage to create your
> message
> idea
> wonder