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A question about $$$
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| Tiemen Rapati 2006-03-14, 6:17 pm |
| No, not about strings. Money, that's what its all about.
I would like to check how much *flash* designers ask for their services. Of
course all sorts of things weigh in to the calculation, like complexity of
the website, experience etc. Who can give some guidelines?
Thanks in advance!
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| David Stiller 2006-03-14, 6:17 pm |
| Tiemen,
> I would like to check how much *flash* designers ask for their
> services. Of course all sorts of things weigh in to the calculation,
> like complexity of the website, experience etc.
More things weigh in than that! How much can a falafel vendor make in
NYC versus Happy, Texas? What is the cost of living in NYC versus Happy,
Texas?
Try giving a call to a handful of design houses in your area and price
out a hypothetical project with them. I bet you'll find that the price
varies even in your own location.
I charge more for freelance than I get paid here at the office (if you
break it down per hour), and yet my employers charge our clients more for my
work than I charge for freelance. Sometimes I charge students less than I
do non-student clients, and I often increase my bid when the client is a
corporation -- because if I bid any lower, they pass me up as too cheap.
:-p
Flash designers (do you mean designers and not programmers, or both?)
can earn anywhere from $30k a year to $120k a year -- and probably more, I'm
sure -- but those are figures I've heard from talking to real people.
David
stiller (at) quip (dot) net
"Luck is the residue of good design."
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| Tiemen Rapati 2006-03-15, 6:18 pm |
| That sounds very plausible, but I'd like some kind of window to view costs
at. How much for a plain, not too functional flash website? I am a little of
flash designer myself, but I'm thinking of hiring a freelancer, and those
come at an enormous variety of prices, you know. ;-)
Best regards,
Tiemen
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| Tiemen Rapati 2006-03-15, 6:18 pm |
| Hey David, in this time of spam-war, does the solution you picked work? I'd
like to also communicate on personal level with people from these boards,
but I still receive spam from the last attempt 4 years back, when the boards
got published on the web and my email was there for the picking.
"David Stiller" <stiller-NO-SPAM-@quip.net> wrote in message
news:dv76r5$dah$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> Tiemen,
>
>
> More things weigh in than that! How much can a falafel vendor make in
> NYC versus Happy, Texas? What is the cost of living in NYC versus Happy,
> Texas?
>
> Try giving a call to a handful of design houses in your area and price
> out a hypothetical project with them. I bet you'll find that the price
> varies even in your own location.
>
> I charge more for freelance than I get paid here at the office (if you
> break it down per hour), and yet my employers charge our clients more for
> my work than I charge for freelance. Sometimes I charge students less
> than I do non-student clients, and I often increase my bid when the client
> is a corporation -- because if I bid any lower, they pass me up as too
> cheap. :-p
>
> Flash designers (do you mean designers and not programmers, or both?)
> can earn anywhere from $30k a year to $120k a year -- and probably more,
> I'm sure -- but those are figures I've heard from talking to real people.
>
>
> David
> stiller (at) quip (dot) net
> "Luck is the residue of good design."
>
>
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| David Stiller 2006-03-15, 6:18 pm |
| > Hey David, in this time of spam-war, does the solution you
> picked work?
Presumably, you're referring to my (at) and (dot) "trick." Honestly, I
don't know if it works or not.
> I'd like to also communicate on personal level with people
> from these boards, but I still receive spam from the last attempt
> 4 years back, when the boards got published on the web and
> my email was there for the picking.
I've certainly received my share, too, over the years. Google groups
covers many, many years of forum posts from all sorts of sources (used to be
Deja Vu, before Google bought 'em). So all these forums are on the web
anyway, besides being in a web version on macromedia.com.
Mainly, I keep up with the anti-spam "trick" out of habit.
David
stiller (at) quip (dot) net
"Luck is the residue of good design."
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| David Stiller 2006-03-15, 6:18 pm |
| Tiemen,
> I'd like some kind of window to view costs at. How much for
> a plain, not too functional flash website?
That's just the trouble, Tiemen: what "plain" means to one person means
"complex as heck" to another.
> I am a little of flash designer myself, but I'm thinking of hiring a
> freelancer, and those come at an enormous variety of prices,
> you know. ;-)
Agreed. And they come at an enormous variety of talent, too. ;) If
hiring is a consideration, I should think you'll have to just shop around,
like with any other purchase. Make sure to view peoples' portfolios and go
with the person whose work looks best at what seems like a reasonable rate,
given the average you find.
I hate to sound evasive, but the words "plain" and "not too functional"
simply don't provide a list of requirements. Personally, I tend to charge
$55 an hour, as of this writing (early 2006). Sometimes more, sometimes
less -- sometimes a flat fee, depending on the circumstances. If a site
took around two business days (8hrs + 8hrs), I would charge $880. But heck,
a nicely designed logo could take several hours alone. I've racked up 5 and
sometimes 10 hours on a logo design. That could bump a "simple" design
design up by that many more hours.
David
stiller (at) quip (dot) net
"Luck is the residue of good design."
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| Tiemen Rapati 2006-03-15, 6:18 pm |
| Very nice! Your sites strike at being very sleek and animated...
Pricing is pretty vaguely described on the site, but I would come up with a
similar price, funnily enough.
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| Tiemen Rapati 2006-03-15, 6:18 pm |
| Cool. Great answer.
Then there's only experience and client connections left. You sound like
someone who is pretty certain of his place in the industry and does not have
to worry about getting enough work. Like I said I'm a starting freelancer
myself, currently in the process of getting into a good design firm and
starting up a freelance project for which I have to hire the help of
another. My portfolio is not too extensive at the moment and my knowledge of
Flash is again finite. But going the right way.
What attitude would you advice me to pursue?
Best regards,
Tiemen
(tiemenrapati.com)
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| David Stiller 2006-03-15, 6:18 pm |
| Tiemen,
> Cool. Great answer.
>
> Then there's only experience and client connections left.
Heh, that's a great answer, too. ;)
> You sound like someone who is pretty certain of his place
> in the industry and does not have to worry about getting
> enough work.
Well, I appreciate that. I've been freelancing for almost 10 years now,
and I work fulltime as a programmer/web developer/video guy. Lots of
different hats, and I like it that way. Outside of the office, most of my
work comes from word-of-mouth support from previous clients. Which is
something of a catch-22, right? How do you get the word-of-mouth without
having the clients in the first place?
> Like I said I'm a starting freelancer myself, currently in the
> process of getting into a good design firm and starting up a
> freelance project for which I have to hire the help of another.
I would recommend, actually, that you start small. Start with a
freelance project you can do all by yourself, so that you build your own
skills. But hey, we're all different, so you may be just fine.
> My portfolio is not too extensive at the moment and my
> knowledge of Flash is again finite.
Heh, believe me, my knowledge of Flash is finite, too.
> What attitude would you advice me to pursue?
Just keep at it. Decide if you're a designer (graphics guy) or a
programmer, or both. Even if you're a designer, learn a bit of introductory
navigational ActionScript, at least. Study the "MovieClip class" entry of
the ActionScript Language Reference, because movie clips are arguably your
most valuable tool in Flash. The published SWF, itself, is a movie clip.
Everything in ActionScript is an object, and objects are defined by their
namesake classes. Every movie clip symbol on your Stage is an instance of
the MovieClip class (that is, an object defined by that class), which means
the MovieClip class entry is your Owner's Manual for movie clips. This is
also true for any other object, including button symbols (the Button class),
text fields (TextField class), and non-visual objects, like Strings,
Numbers, Arrays, Dates, and so on.
Characteristics an object has are called properties; things it can do
are called methods; things it can react to are called events -- and these
three are listed under respective headings of each class entry in the AS
Language Reference. Many people don't realize how conveniently organized
the documentation is, in this regard.
Ultimately (to repeat myself, here), keep at it. It has taken me years
to build up a client base, but as it stands, most of my customers are David
Stiller cheerleaders, which is very rewarding. I don't mean to sound like a
blowhard, but there it is. I put a lot of effort into providing good
customer service because I hate receiving bad service. This means I
sometimes eat my own mistakes ... put in more hours without charging,
because I didn't know a concept as well as I should have -- that sort of
thing. I don't believe it's right to charge someone else for my learning
experience, so I don't. Stick to the Golden Rule, and after a while, the
adage holds true: what goes around, comes around. It just takes time, lots
of study (buy some books!), lots of effort, and ... heh, time.
David
stiller (at) quip (dot) net
"Luck is the residue of good design."
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| alanwallace4 2006-03-15, 6:18 pm |
| David,
That's great advice.
I must say that your posts are always good to read and one could learn a lot
about flash simply by looking up David Stiller posts on the forum. Replies are
always focused on the point and you dont shy away from getting into the
"nitty-gritty" to help out people.
Great stuff.
Alan
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| David Stiller 2006-03-15, 6:18 pm |
| Alan,
> I must say that your posts are always good to read and one
> could learn a lot about flash simply by looking up David Stiller
> posts on the forum.
I appreciate that very much. Thanks!
> Replies are always focused on the point and you dont shy away
> from getting into the "nitty-gritty" to help out people.
Ehh, I do wander off the track from time to time, sometimes just for
fun. But I believe strongly in helping people, so I try to be "on." Oddly,
sometimes helping people means nudging them down a path they stubbornly
refuse to tread -- but we usually get there.
I do understand the overwhelming "Where do I even start?!" feeling,
because I learned all this stuff on my own -- simply because I get joy from
dealing with the various disciplines involved in multimedia. And, heck, it
makes me happy to share in peoples' "Aha!" moments, so I don't mind working
for 'em.
Thanks for the kudos, Alan!
David
stiller (at) quip (dot) net
"Luck is the residue of good design."
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| Tiemen Rapati 2006-03-16, 3:14 am |
| It's great to still get feedback like this. I've been visiting Usenet
Photoshop forums awhile back and the only thing returned there was a lot of
fire and flames. I myself love to help others too, especially the
satisfaction that comes as reward. But I took refuge in this branch of the
flash fora because the general topic simply goes too fast for me. Can't keep
up.
"> Study the "MovieClip class" entry of ..."
Luckily for me I'm not that much of a beginner with flash, I'm supposed to
know the basics of AS. I'm currently fiddling with AS2 and if I have
technical problems I'll be sure to check back here. But I'm not there yet.
First I need some good plans.
But your help is doing a great job in helping me out so far, so a sincere
"thank you!" is appropriate here.
Cheers!
Tiemen
Ps. www.tiemenrapati.com is my last flash application, though it's not my
best piece of work. Actually.. opinions on it are welcome, as it's due for
maintenance soon, as there is very little information on it at present.
www.degroepvansteen.nl was my first flash site, made in 2002, well.. you can
see those trough my site.
www.angelfire.com/realm/moonz/ is the funniest/most interesting one of my
creations
>
> Characteristics an object has are called properties; things it can do
> are called methods; things it can react to are called events -- and these
> three are listed under respective headings of each class entry in the AS
> Language Reference. Many people don't realize how conveniently organized
> the documentation is, in this regard.
>
> Ultimately (to repeat myself, here), keep at it. It has taken me years
> to build up a client base, but as it stands, most of my customers are
> David Stiller cheerleaders, which is very rewarding. I don't mean to
> sound like a blowhard, but there it is. I put a lot of effort into
> providing good customer service because I hate receiving bad service.
> This means I sometimes eat my own mistakes ... put in more hours without
> charging, because I didn't know a concept as well as I should have -- that
> sort of thing. I don't believe it's right to charge someone else for my
> learning experience, so I don't. Stick to the Golden Rule, and after a
> while, the adage holds true: what goes around, comes around. It just
> takes time, lots of study (buy some books!), lots of effort, and ... heh,
> time.
>
>
> David
> stiller (at) quip (dot) net
> "Luck is the residue of good design."
>
>
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| RobertB52 2006-03-16, 6:18 pm |
| Great flash design alan, but your photoshop and graphical skills are extremely
amaturish, you're not supposed to use default bevel & emboss mate lol. Other
than that, great site.
visit www.Robert-Bonner.com and look at my services page.
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| alanwallace4 2006-03-16, 6:18 pm |
| Hi,
Robert - Firstly, I didnt ask you to give comment on my site.
Secondly, there is no Photoshop in my site. It is all flash.
As far as bevel and emboss are concerned - So What! I dont give a damn what
you say. You have the cheek to Laugh at me.
I did visit your site, and i did visit your services page and i couldnt even
read it! In Fact the whole site is like that. So Please do not talk to me about
being amatuer!
Actually, you speak about "default emboss" - In flash? Sorry, not that i know
of. If you can tell me where the default emboss is in flash i would be
grateful. Lol
As i mentioned in my post above - i am probably at the bottom end of the
scale. I do not need anyone to re-enforce something i already know.
In fact i really do not see the purpose of saying it at all. Maybe you gain
some sort of personal satisfaction, who knows.
Whatever the reason, i am firmly aware of how i stand with web design and
graphics - Unlike yourself - at least visitors can actually read my content.
Thank You
Alan Wallace
The man who doesnt own Photoshop
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| RobertB52 2006-03-17, 3:15 am |
| Newb lol
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| Chris (mudbubble) 2006-03-17, 3:15 am |
| alan,
i like your site - i remember a few months back you came here asking for a site check and i remember
the positive response it got (i was one of many who replied). It's weird you are being negatively
critiqued in a thread you are not the subject of and by someone who has a complete lack of graphics
on his own site. Just seems very unjustified and mean.
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alanwallace4 wrote:
> Hi,
> Robert - Firstly, I didnt ask you to give comment on my site.
> Secondly, there is no Photoshop in my site. It is all flash.
> As far as bevel and emboss are concerned - So What! I dont give a damn what
> you say. You have the cheek to Laugh at me.
> I did visit your site, and i did visit your services page and i couldnt even
> read it! In Fact the whole site is like that. So Please do not talk to me about
> being amatuer!
> Actually, you speak about "default emboss" - In flash? Sorry, not that i know
> of. If you can tell me where the default emboss is in flash i would be
> grateful. Lol
> As i mentioned in my post above - i am probably at the bottom end of the
> scale. I do not need anyone to re-enforce something i already know.
> In fact i really do not see the purpose of saying it at all. Maybe you gain
> some sort of personal satisfaction, who knows.
> Whatever the reason, i am firmly aware of how i stand with web design and
> graphics - Unlike yourself - at least visitors can actually read my content.
> Thank You
> Alan Wallace
> The man who doesnt own Photoshop
>
>
>
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| Chris (mudbubble) 2006-03-17, 3:15 am |
| RobertB52,
alan is a regular contibuter in these forums and has volunteered his time here - not sure if you
intend this but you are coming across as if you are unjustly attacking alan - aplogies if i am
mis-reading the tone of your poasts (happened before in your site check thread) but alan is not
asking for a site critique and it just seems a little strange that you are calling him "extremely
amaturish" when your site has a complete lack of graphics altogether. Whay the unprovoked attack?
These forums are about community and helping each other and it seems unfortunate that you have
decided to make a negative name for yourself here. Hopefully the tone of your posts are coming
through the wrong way.
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RobertB52 wrote:
> Newb lol
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| Chris (mudbubble) 2006-03-17, 3:15 am |
| let's stay on-topic here - no need to hi-jack the subject of this thread with unsubstantiated
accusations.
RobertB52 wrote:
> Great flash design alan, but your photoshop and graphical skills are extremely
> amaturish, you're not supposed to use default bevel & emboss mate lol. Other
> than that, great site.
>
> visit www.Robert-Bonner.com and look at my services page.
>
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| Tiemen Rapati 2006-03-17, 3:15 am |
| I feel the same way. Alan did not ask for your opinion, so I don't see the
point in giving him a hard time.
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| alanwallace4 2006-03-17, 6:14 am |
| Thanks Guys.
No damage done
Cheers
Alan
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| Alan man, I like your site dude, it is really fruity in a good way, and Robert,
please do something about your web. If not, at least do not annoy the others
who try to get something positive out of the forums. Ohhh, and guys, don?t
drink too much green beer tonight ?!
a30n
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| silverSurfer 2006-03-18, 3:15 am |
| what I want to know is - how can I become a David Stiller Cheerleader?
lmao
but in response to the original question - you charge what the market will bear.
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| hey, i'll weigh-in on this. i liked alan's website, too. i didn't see
anything amateurish about it, at all.
i thought robert-bonner's site is at a beginning flash level, but that's not a
criticism. i'm sure if he sticks with it, his site will mature with his
increasing experience with flash.
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| RobertB52 2006-03-19, 6:14 am |
| Beginner level? Did you know that it's 100kb in size, and the dial up version
is 20kb in size? I bet you didn't, I kept it simple and small for
international userability. Then again, I also didn't ask for a jerkoff's
opinion either.
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| RobertB52 2006-03-19, 6:14 am |
| Beginner level? Did you know that it's 100kb in size, and the dial up version
is 20kb in size? I bet you didn't, I kept it simple and small for
international userability. Then again, I also didn't ask for a jerkoff's
opinion either.
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| Tiemen Rapati 2006-03-19, 6:14 am |
| Seriously. I don't know what's the matter with you, but communicating on a
friendly and proactive way seems to much to ask? I know those two comments
did criticise your site, but you sort of started doing it so shouldn't be
surprised you got it back- altough that was wrong. Try to restrain yourself
from flaming, because there is no place for that on these professional
boards.
Regards,
Tiemen
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| Chris (mudbubble) 2006-03-19, 6:17 pm |
| wow - it's too bad you have to lash out in such a rude way. It's also too bad you measure skill
level by file size. Anybody can make a 100k file regardless of how long they've been using any
program. I am not surprised because your site is 95% text - if it were HTML then it would be even
smaller :)
well, your attitude is unfortunate - you come here asking for opinions and then act like a 15 year
old with your adolescent name calling. Nothing is more "amateurish" in my book. I'm sure your
personality will go a long way in getting others to want to pass on work to you and your "affiliate
program".
one more thing, you mention "international userability"...if you truly wanted to cater
internationally, why is your site in English only? there are other languages in the world. We're not
dumb - your site is one of the most text-heavy sites i have seen. It is also black and gray
and...depressing in any country - moreso for the ones who can't even read it.
I would be happy to give some really kind constructive criticism and some solid ideas, but your
attitude is pretty poor and childish and i won't waste my time answering any of your posts anymore -
so don't expect any more help from me and I wouldn't expect anyone else around here who has read any
of your recent posts to dedicate their time to you either.\\
best of luck.
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RobertB52 wrote:
> Beginner level? Did you know that it's 100kb in size, and the dial up version
> is 20kb in size? I bet you didn't, I kept it simple and small for
> international userability. Then again, I also didn't ask for a jerkoff's
> opinion either.
>
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| 100kb in size??? oh man, i didn't know that.
i take it all back. anyone that could create an 100kb swf must have advanced skills and must have used those advanced skills to create such a swf.
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| Chris (mudbubble) 2006-03-19, 6:17 pm |
| RobertB52 wrote:
Then again, I also didn't ask for a jerkoff's
> opinion either.
well, actually you did - there's a thread from you asking for opinions - not to mention once you
start flaming and name calling you pretty much open yourself up to criticism.
website feedback is subjective - and your site is what it is - a very simple, dark, text-heavy site
with a number of obvious syntax and grammatical errors. I've read everything you have on your site
and your "about me" section needs a serious re-write. If your site specializes in 95% text/writing,
at least use spell check and/or have someone with some writing skills edit it for you. I'm telling
you this out of professional courtesy. if I were a potential client and came upon your site looking
to hire a website developer specializing in minimalistic, text-heavy websites I would have to
continue my search elsewhere upon reading all your typos. But now we are off-topic again in this
thread and I apologize.
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| Tiemen Rapati 2006-03-19, 6:17 pm |
| roflmao
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| wynterain 2006-03-19, 10:15 pm |
| It's funny that I should come across your post. I was in class on wed. and my
professor suggested I buy a book on pricing. I'm not sure if the book is for
one specific occupation but I'll check back tmw to see and I can get you that
info if the book covers web designers. Oh in case you're curious, and I'm not
exactly sure why you would be:), but I'm taking a Maya class.
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| Tiemen Rapati 2006-03-19, 10:15 pm |
| Cool.
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freelance webdesign, crossmedia & press
"wynterain" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:dvl1dt$5nq$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> It's funny that I should come across your post. I was in class on wed.
> and my
> professor suggested I buy a book on pricing. I'm not sure if the book is
> for
> one specific occupation but I'll check back tmw to see and I can get you
> that
> info if the book covers web designers. Oh in case you're curious, and I'm
> not
> exactly sure why you would be:), but I'm taking a Maya class.
>
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| RobertB52 2006-03-19, 10:15 pm |
| I don't blame hitlar, killing off young kikes was the best thing to ever happen, you little shits shouldn't be allowed to breathe let alone roam free on the net! I should murder everyone of you!
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| keep those intelligent posts coming, robert. that was a great one.
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| Chris (mudbubble) 2006-03-20, 3:15 am |
| wow - Robert I had a client I was going to send your way via your affiliate program - I sent them
some quotes from your "about me" section. Specifically; "...I got into this business because I
absolutely love to help people..." and "...I believe in helping people..." and to seal the deal I
included; "I don't blame hitlar, killing off young kikes was the best thing to ever happen, you
little shits shouldn't be allowed to breathe let alone roam free on the net! I should murder
everyone of you!
-RobertB52"
I would expect a call from that client. They need a designer as good as you. They told me you were
perfect for their needs. Oh, btw...they happen to be Jewish, shouldnt be too awkward. They said they
will call you first thing in the morning. Good luck and thanks for the 20%.
Pretty impressive - remember this is a public forum and you are posting some extremely offensive
material and signing your name to it - probably one of the dumbest moves I have seen here in all my
29,000 posts. banning you is an email away my friend.
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RobertB52 wrote:
> I don't blame hitlar, killing off young kikes was the best thing to ever happen, you little shits shouldn't be allowed to breathe let alone roam free on the net! I should murder everyone of you!
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| RobertB52 2006-03-20, 3:15 am |
| Alright, what the heck? Who hacked my account? I didn't write that, posting
message's under other people's names is really immature. Once I talk to an
adminstrator from Macromedia I'll have your XXX. Is it you alan? Aeon?/?! This
is rediculas, who got a hold of my account information?
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| RobertB52 2006-03-20, 3:15 am |
| By the way Alan, I said I liked the Flash design, the only aspect that I didn't
like was your Bevel & Emboss over useage. I think if you took out the two
large orange objects the flash would look quite a bit better. I don't think
there was a need to flame me for what I said on my first post, and I sure hope
that you aren't the person who has been prying into my account Alan I would be
very dissapointed.
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| silverSurfer 2006-03-20, 3:15 am |
| bah... I'm unsubscribing from this topic - it's not just the content, its the
spelling and grammatical errors that are really tipping me over the edge. If
anyone else can put two and two together you'll probably come up with the same
answer that I did. However, before I go I still want to know how to become a
David Stiller cheerleader - I just dig those pompoms!!
Hey kglad mebbe you can give me the short track lmao.
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| Tiemen Rapati 2006-03-20, 6:29 pm |
| Good to hear that Robert. The lesson we get out of this is that giving
criticism when not asked for is not appreciated on these boards. I like your
attempt at nuancing your previous words. You'll fit in here I think, just
restrain from anything but constructive criticism on the right place & time,
and helpful posts (I'm having somewhat of a trouble with that myself)
Regards Tiemen
Ps. Nobody hacked into your macromedia account. It's really easy to fake
someones name using a newsgroup reader. I've seen it happen lts of time
before.
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Tiemen Rapati
by tiemen rapati 2006 | tiemenrapati.com
freelance webdesign, crossmedia & press
"RobertB52" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:dvlb7m$gh1$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> By the way Alan, I said I liked the Flash design, the only aspect that I
> didn't
> like was your Bevel & Emboss over useage. I think if you took out the two
> large orange objects the flash would look quite a bit better. I don't
> think
> there was a need to flame me for what I said on my first post, and I sure
> hope
> that you aren't the person who has been prying into my account Alan I
> would be
> very dissapointed.
>
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| alanwallace4 2006-03-20, 6:29 pm |
| Originally posted by: RobertB52
....and I sure hope that you aren't the person who has been prying into my
account Alan I would be very dissapointed.
Lol.
Having strained my eyes reading the content of your site Robert I can't
imagine how anyone would find anything of interest by "prying" into your
account. I couldn't think of anything more dull.
Maybe it's the Orange vs Grey thing? Maybe you're so stuck on grey you became
uncontrollably irate when you came across the splash of Orange. Flexing and
Frothing in your dark room. Seething. Raging yourself up into a frenzy.
Just settle down. Open your blinds, let the sun in. There is life out there.
maybe find a friend?
Have fun.
Alan
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| David Stiller 2006-03-20, 6:29 pm |
| > what I want to know is - how can I become a David Stiller
> Cheerleader?
> lmao
> but in response to the original question - you charge what
> the market will bear.
Heh. I hope that didn't sound boastful. Looking back over my thread, I
don't think so ... that wasn't the tone. But if you want, check out ...
http://www.collegegear.com/sf/stores/1404/
Pretty good stuff. :-p
David
stiller (at) quip (dot) net
"Luck is the residue of good design."
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| RobertB52 2006-03-22, 3:14 am |
| All thing's aside, that was an awful thing to say Alan. I actually thought you
might be somewhat mature, however I was completely wrong. Either british
public education (Farthest you have gotten according to your records, and yes,
I actually looked you up and did a background check) is lacking, or you are
just incompitant and an utter punk? I said nothing hurtful, yet you throw
person comments at me? You have a lot of growing up to do kid, really... I am
quite humored by your remarks towards me, what did you take some psychology
class in highschool? Some sort of expert now? Yeah, well the jokes on you old
XXXXer. I landed a deal with Eidos and I get 25 cents per every copy of the
Hitman: Blood Money video game that's sold, and 50 cents for every copy of the
soundtrack, I get to retire at 18. Have a nice life, you immature old prick.
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| Chris (mudbubble) 2006-03-22, 3:14 am |
| RobertB52 - let this thread die please - it's embarrasing to see your posts and it is not being
constructive in any way to this forum - i think everyone will agree you started all this so please
end it now. Or perhaps someone "hacked" into your account again and you didn't really send that?
Doing background checks on people just to cut them down in a public forum is scary - i'm no
psychologist, but that tells me you have a serious behavioral disorder. Please stick to the subjects
in this forum or go elsewhere to flame people.
thank you.
RobertB52 wrote:
> All thing's aside, that was an awful thing to say Alan. I actually thought you
> might be somewhat mature, however I was completely wrong. Either british
> public education (Farthest you have gotten according to your records, and yes,
> I actually looked you up and did a background check) is lacking, or you are
> just incompitant and an utter punk? I said nothing hurtful, yet you throw
> person comments at me? You have a lot of growing up to do kid, really... I am
> quite humored by your remarks towards me, what did you take some psychology
> class in highschool? Some sort of expert now? Yeah, well the jokes on you old
> XXXXer. I landed a deal with Eidos and I get 25 cents per every copy of the
> Hitman: Blood Money video game that's sold, and 50 cents for every copy of the
> soundtrack, I get to retire at 18. Have a nice life, you immature old prick.
>
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| RobertB52 2006-03-22, 3:14 am |
| I was considering trying to get his wife to suck my cock, but... He lives over
in the UK, expensive plane flight for ripping up someone's marriage... However,
sure would be fun though. Too bad she's seriously ugly, he must have been
drunk and forgot to wear a condom, now he's stuck with her.
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| Chris (mudbubble) 2006-03-22, 3:14 am |
| this reply came from the same IP address Robert.
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RobertB52 wrote:
> I was considering trying to get his wife to suck my cock, but... He lives over
> in the UK, expensive plane flight for ripping up someone's marriage... However,
> sure would be fun though. Too bad she's seriously ugly, he must have been
> drunk and forgot to wear a condom, now he's stuck with her.
>
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| Tiemen Rapati 2006-03-22, 6:14 am |
| I took back what I said. You're really disappointing.
Go away Robert, I'm for one thing not replying to anything you post in the
future.
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