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| zarathustra_MX 2005-09-13, 4:21 am |
| Having worked with DW8 all morning, I can't say I'm immediately impressed. I
realise it's not a great deal of time to evaluate it, but as it just vanished
of my screen for no apparent reason I thought I'd take a break to report my
findings.
Bugs. Lots of little ones. Cursors dissapearing (and blinking, and changing
shape), the "point-to" function now leaves "ghostly" lines behind, especially
whilst tracking "beyond" the top or bottom of the files panel (I prefered the
old bug where it turned into a little "no access" symbol but still worked ha
ha). It was during a "point-to" operation that the thing just vanished. Hey
when was the last time I saved that page!...gulp.
I mean honestly, you'd have thought that such little bugs would have been
ironed out in Beta?
The new FTP mechanisms are an improvement, but still pretty half hearted.
Whilst making a background transfer the cursor blinks in time to the files
being moved, is that meant to be some sort of visual feedback or another bug?
Either way it's intensely irritating. Why not just have a PROPER FTP system in
a completely different GUI if necessary. Kind of like Adobe's Bridge
application. It could do it's own thing...but integrated, with out this
constant interference.
I'll start it up again now and see if it stays on screen. I am not overly
impressed.
Your findings?
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| twocans 2005-09-13, 7:15 am |
| after I loaded dreamweaver 8 a hand popped out of my pc and made me coffee.
regards
kenny
"zarathustra_MX" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Having worked with DW8 all morning, I can't say I'm immediately impressed.
> I
> realise it's not a great deal of time to evaluate it, but as it just
> vanished
> of my screen for no apparent reason I thought I'd take a break to report
> my
> findings.
>
> Bugs. Lots of little ones. Cursors dissapearing (and blinking, and
> changing
> shape), the "point-to" function now leaves "ghostly" lines behind,
> especially
> whilst tracking "beyond" the top or bottom of the files panel (I prefered
> the
> old bug where it turned into a little "no access" symbol but still worked
> ha
> ha). It was during a "point-to" operation that the thing just vanished.
> Hey
> when was the last time I saved that page!...gulp.
>
> I mean honestly, you'd have thought that such little bugs would have been
> ironed out in Beta?
>
> The new FTP mechanisms are an improvement, but still pretty half hearted.
> Whilst making a background transfer the cursor blinks in time to the files
> being moved, is that meant to be some sort of visual feedback or another
> bug?
> Either way it's intensely irritating. Why not just have a PROPER FTP
> system in
> a completely different GUI if necessary. Kind of like Adobe's Bridge
> application. It could do it's own thing...but integrated, with out this
> constant interference.
>
> I'll start it up again now and see if it stays on screen. I am not overly
> impressed.
>
> Your findings?
>
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| zarathustra_MX 2005-09-13, 7:17 am |
| haha, excellent! I thought only Flash 8 did that? I'll have to enable it in
"preferences"
Working on...it hasn't crashed again yet, but it's pretty buggy still,
especially during file upload. I'm afraid it's new capabilities are in no-way
denting my support for WS_FTP. Believe me, I wish I didn't have to use a third
party FTP client, but DW isn't doing much to convert me :(
Anyone else found anything particularly good or bad? I'm just working with it
generally on a small, static site job. I don't have time to test it all out, so
I guess what I am reporting is at least "real-world" testing...but given the
annoying bugs I am encountering, you'd have think they did this kind of thing
BEFORE they released it. I am avaiilable for testing... "hello"
...."HELLO"!...nah...they can't hear me :(
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| brendon 2005-09-13, 7:17 am |
| zarathustra_MX wrote:
> Believe me, I wish I didn't have to
> use a third party FTP client, but DW isn't doing much to convert me :(
>
Why is it such an 'issue' to use a third party tool for this?
Just wondering, thats all.
Brendon
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| zarathustra_MX 2005-09-13, 7:17 am |
| Don't get me wrong brendon, i don't lose any sleep over it. It's just that if
Dreamweaver is an application for making websites, then you'd think it would
have some decent functionality to move the files onto the web! I guess I think
it's an important issue because of the price of the thing, coupled with how
"easy" it is to impliment proper FTP support. I mean Macromedia must know that
the FTP is weak, I just don't understand why they would slightly upgrade it for
this release, and yet still leave it buggy and underpowered. It baffles me
frankly.
I guess that's why it bothers me. I just can't understand how a company of
this size and experience can't adequately test such a basic operation. This
must wind other people up or is it just me? To me it's like buying an expensive
car with a square steering wheel and then having to go buy an after-market,
round one.
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| brendon 2005-09-13, 7:18 pm |
| zarathustra_MX wrote:
> Don't get me wrong brendon, i don't lose any sleep over it. It's just that
> if Dreamweaver is an application for making websites, then you'd think it
> would have some decent functionality to move the files onto the web! I
> guess I think it's an important issue because of the price of the thing,
> coupled with how "easy" it is to impliment proper FTP support. I mean
> Macromedia must know that the FTP is weak, I just don't understand why
> they would slightly upgrade it for this release, and yet still leave it
> buggy and underpowered. It baffles me frankly.
>
> I guess that's why it bothers me. I just can't understand how a company
> of
> this size and experience can't adequately test such a basic operation.
> This must wind other people up or is it just me? To me it's like buying an
> expensive car with a square steering wheel and then having to go buy an
> after-market, round one.
I agree with you, it is not really acceptable that a quite vital component
of some software is not working as you would expect, especially when you
fork out a lot of hard earned cash for it. It is disappointing, yes. Very,
to be quite frank. I just take the approach with it, that well - it doesn't
work how I want it to - so I use something else to make up where it lacks.
Something like Filezilla - free on sourceforge.net - very similar to
cuteftp if you have ever used it, and not too distant from WSFTP.
Basically, I consider it like Photoshop - I love it, but when I am finished
using it, I prefer to switch to Fireworks to touch up bits, and create for
web.
Make sense? No, probably not. I am just as annoyed as you are about the ftp
(not that I have tried it in 8 yet - I am still downloading the trial) -
but I don't let it get me down, or interrupt my workflow - I guess thats my
approach. :-)
Good luck.
Brendon
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| Les Matthews 2005-09-14, 7:33 pm |
| "zarathustra_MX" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Don't get me wrong brendon, i don't lose any sleep over it. It's just that
> if
> Dreamweaver is an application for making websites, then you'd think it
> would
> have some decent functionality to move the files onto the web! I guess I
> think
> it's an important issue because of the price of the thing, coupled with
> how
> "easy" it is to impliment proper FTP support.
I've never used DW's FTP and sometimes wondered why MM bothered to include
such functionality. I've never really thought of file-transfer and part of
development. BTW, MS Visual Studio (which costs much more than DW) also
doesn't do FTP.
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| Les Matthews 2005-09-14, 7:33 pm |
| "Les Matthews" <LesAMatthews@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I've never used DW's FTP and sometimes wondered why MM bothered to include
> such functionality. I've never really thought of file-transfer and part of
> development. BTW, MS Visual Studio (which costs much more than DW) also
> doesn't do FTP.
S/B: "I've never really thought of file-transfer as part of development."
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| Murray *TMM* 2005-09-14, 7:33 pm |
| It's all I've ever used. Different strokes, I guess.
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"Les Matthews" <LesAMatthews@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "zarathustra_MX" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
> news:dg69bf$btt$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>
> I've never used DW's FTP and sometimes wondered why MM bothered to include
> such functionality. I've never really thought of file-transfer and part of
> development. BTW, MS Visual Studio (which costs much more than DW) also
> doesn't do FTP.
>
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| CDRNorth 2005-09-14, 7:33 pm |
| I have been using DW full time since ver. 4 and have upgraded with each new
arrival. My first impressions have been, for the most part, positive.
I really like the code collapse, background ftp and the far superior wysiwg
rendering of floated elements.
I find the css panel to be quite useless, but I will experiment with it
further. I hand code most of my CSS and use TopStyle in this endeavor. It looks
like that practice will continue.
During the install it didn't pull my custom snippets, sigh.
My biggest concern so far is that once you check in a file your history goes
kaput! Is there any way to change this in the preferences? Has anyone else run
into this problem? Also, when a page is checked out it dings the history with a
"Edit Source" and puts an unsaved changes asterisk in the tab.
Regarding some of the other features, I have not started a site from scratch
with it, so that will give me a lot more fodder for thought.
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| Everytime I try to enable dual view of the Remote and Local files in the File menu it crashes. Anyone else?
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| Elierdw 2005-09-14, 7:34 pm |
| I?ve had a page that displayed fine in any number browsers, bbEdit preview,
GoLive, etc. and would not display CSS correctly (lots of extra white space
everywhere, etc.) in MX2004. The first thing I did in DW8 was open that page
(which kind of drove me nuts in the past) and it displays perfectly in 8.
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| Murray *TMM* 2005-09-14, 7:35 pm |
| You can copy them over - they are in the Configurations/Snippets folder
under your user name.....
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"CDRNorth" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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>I have been using DW full time since ver. 4 and have upgraded with each new
> arrival. My first impressions have been, for the most part, positive.
>
> I really like the code collapse, background ftp and the far superior
> wysiwg
> rendering of floated elements.
>
> I find the css panel to be quite useless, but I will experiment with it
> further. I hand code most of my CSS and use TopStyle in this endeavor. It
> looks
> like that practice will continue.
>
> During the install it didn't pull my custom snippets, sigh.
>
> My biggest concern so far is that once you check in a file your history
> goes
> kaput! Is there any way to change this in the preferences? Has anyone else
> run
> into this problem? Also, when a page is checked out it dings the history
> with a
> "Edit Source" and puts an unsaved changes asterisk in the tab.
>
> Regarding some of the other features, I have not started a site from
> scratch
> with it, so that will give me a lot more fodder for thought.
>
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| Murray *TMM* 2005-09-14, 7:35 pm |
| That's good to hear!
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"Elierdw" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> I?ve had a page that displayed fine in any number browsers, bbEdit
> preview,
> GoLive, etc. and would not display CSS correctly (lots of extra white
> space
> everywhere, etc.) in MX2004. The first thing I did in DW8 was open that
> page
> (which kind of drove me nuts in the past) and it displays perfectly in 8.
>
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| zarathustra_MX 2005-09-15, 4:22 am |
| Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
It's all I've ever used. Different strokes, I guess.
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Murray --- ICQ 71997575
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I'm intrigued? If you were working on a largish site and had a few files to
upload, what did you do? Just site and watch 'em for twenty minutes, or did you
upload during your "work breaks"? It's just that I found it totally unworkable.
Ultimately of course I'm not really bothered if you want to burn them on a cd
and post them to your host. The issue that annoys...no...interests...me, is how
someone...(and it WAS a person...or at least a team) got tasked with updating
the FTP. (We know that - because it's been updated). Now if I was tasked with
that job, the first thing I would do is look at the competition. (WS_FTP,
Cute_FTP and others) and see what they were doing right. And then I'd simply
(and it can't be that hard right? Not for these guys?) build it into DW. I mean
it's fundamental. DW makes web sites! It's like editing photos in Photoshop
then using a seperate compression utility. If it really can't be "built in", I
suggest they make a seperate, but unified, application to handle the FTP in the
background.
Personally I think that this was the "best they could knock up" whilst still
achieving a release date that put the money in their pockets instead of
Adobe's. I've always trusted Adobe more than Macromedia. Let's see how long it
takes them to sort the FTP. Incidentally...anyone know what the FTP is like in
GoLive (I really don't), that would be interesting to hear.
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"Les Matthews" <LesAMatthews@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "zarathustra_MX" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
> news:Dg69bf$btt$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>
> I've never used DW's FTP and sometimes wondered why MM bothered to include
> such functionality. I've never really thought of file-transfer and part of
> development. BTW, MS Visual Studio (which costs much more than DW) also
> doesn't do FTP.
>
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| danrodney 2005-09-15, 7:27 pm |
| On the Mac F12 changed to Option-F12. Maybe try Alt-F12 on the PC? Otherwise double check your preferences. Maybe they got messed up on the upgrade.
Hope that helps.
Dan
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| thirtyone 2005-09-17, 4:24 am |
| I've been using 8 ever since I got it successfully installed and I'm liking the
background file transfer a whole lot! A real plus is the CSS DIV visualization
- yea! no more having to add borders to see exactly where everything is placed!
Since I get a lot of copy sent to me, the paste special command is a real time
saver and I was surprised to see the new starter pages are quite nice, actually
for the beginner.
I've been using Dreamweaver since the very first version and I have to say I
think every upgrade has made life easier for me.
After 2 days with 8, there is no going back to 7 for me!
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| DianeV 2005-09-17, 4:24 am |
| Another bug ... when I insert a table in a page built with a Template, I can't
always see the borders in Design view. On a brand-new no-content-yet HTML page,
tables show up just fine without *any* change in Preferences.
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| Bonnie 2005-09-17, 11:22 pm |
| Bill Horvath .:CMX:. wrote:
> Same here. I've never seen the need for anything else.
>
I'm happy it works for you and Murray, but I've certainly experienced
the problems others have posted--not a big deal--one way or another I
figure out how to get my files uploaded, but it would certainly be
interesting to figure out why it works 100% for some people and kind of
sporadic/flakey for others.
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| dylangirl 2005-09-17, 11:22 pm |
| Originally posted by: jbc4
Everytime I try to enable dual view of the Remote and Local files in the File
menu it crashes. Anyone else?
Yes yes, me too! See my thread with the title Dreamweaver 8 Freeze. I am still
in limbo. No way to make it work from my end. I have to go back to MX2004.
Luckily I didn't delete it.
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| How will downloading a trial Dreamweaver 8 affect DW MX2004 already installed
on my pc? If I decide not to purchase after 30 days trial & uninstall it, will
it screw up my DW MX2004 settings?
Thanks.
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