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| Pablo 2005-01-14, 11:15 pm |
| Never would create a Template but why do so many people create them?
What are the pro's?
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Cheers Pablo
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| Pablo 2005-01-14, 11:15 pm |
| Why? What are the serious pro's? How come everyone gets stuck in the mud on
this forum with them? I might be a bit harsh here but I think they should be
banned :)
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Cheers Pablo
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"Baxter" <baxter(spam)@gtlakes.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
cs1l3p$f8q$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> I use them for consistency, consistency, consistency, site feel,
navigation,
> etc.
> Dave
> "Pablo" <dunno@dunno.com> wrote in message
> news:cs1kdm$ejl$1@forums.macromedia.com...
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| dan mode 2005-01-14, 11:15 pm |
| Pabs,
I have no idea, I tried them once...never again...more work than what they
are worth IMO. CSS & SSI for me.
Dan
blah blah EApeaceST blah lengthy signatures rule
"Pablo" <dunno@dunno.com> wrote in message
news:cs1kdm$ejl$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> Never would create a Template but why do so many people create them?
>
> What are the pro's?
>
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers Pablo
>
> _____________________
>
> Whoever said "image doesn't matter" was lying.
> http://www.dellwebsites.com
> ______________________________________
>
>
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| Pablo 2005-01-14, 11:15 pm |
| Make sense?
That was a good reply but css to me is so much easier but there again I
don't have beer in the fridge with my name on it :)
--
Cheers Pablo
_____________________
Whoever said "image doesn't matter" was lying.
http://www.dellwebsites.com
______________________________________
"Winifred Day" <winday@NOSPAMwildrosewebsites.com> a écrit dans le message
de news: cs1li1$foh$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> Pablo wrote:
>
> I use a combination of templates and SSIs. Here's my workflow:
>
> Build a sample.html page. Get everything where I want it. Make sure
> the nav works, that the CSS file is linked, the whole nine yards.
>
> Yank out the bits and pieces for the various SSIs - usually header,
> footer, nav, subnav if there is one.
>
> Create a template out of what's left.
>
> Base all new child pages on the template. They'll automatically call
> the appropriate SSIs.
>
> This way the structure for each page is in the template, but the
> site-wide content is in the SSIs.
>
> Make sense?
>
> Win
> --
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| Winifred Day 2005-01-14, 11:15 pm |
| Pablo wrote:
> Never would create a Template but why do so many people create them?
>
> What are the pro's?
>
I use a combination of templates and SSIs. Here's my workflow:
Build a sample.html page. Get everything where I want it. Make sure
the nav works, that the CSS file is linked, the whole nine yards.
Yank out the bits and pieces for the various SSIs - usually header,
footer, nav, subnav if there is one.
Create a template out of what's left.
Base all new child pages on the template. They'll automatically call
the appropriate SSIs.
This way the structure for each page is in the template, but the
site-wide content is in the SSIs.
Make sense?
Win
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|
| Templates are ok for small sites... but get into a couple hundred pages and
Dreamweaver can choke on them (and libraries).
I prefer SSI and CSS to make my sites.
"Baxter" <baxter(spam)@gtlakes.com> wrote in message
news:cs1l3p$f8q$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> I use them for consistency, consistency, consistency, site feel,
navigation,
> etc.
> Dave
> "Pablo" <dunno@dunno.com> wrote in message
> news:cs1kdm$ejl$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>
>
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| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-14, 11:15 pm |
| Templates and CSS are about as similar as fish and bicycles.
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"Pablo" <dunno@dunno.com> wrote in message
news:cs1m3t$gav$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> Make sense?
>
> That was a good reply but css to me is so much easier but there again I
> don't have beer in the fridge with my name on it :)
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers Pablo
>
> _____________________
>
> Whoever said "image doesn't matter" was lying.
> http://www.dellwebsites.com
> ______________________________________
> "Winifred Day" <winday@NOSPAMwildrosewebsites.com> a écrit dans le message
> de news: cs1li1$foh$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>
>
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| Gary White 2005-01-15, 4:15 am |
| SamMan wrote:
>I have used templates in a few sites at work (one site has 5,000+ pages) to
>handle all the layout, and have over time I have wished that SSI's had been
>used instead.
>
>After reading the way you use them, it tempers my growing dislike for them!
>I will be sure to keep this in mind for future sites.
>
>Thanks, Gary!
You're welcome, Sam. When using templates like that, you'll almost never
need to modify the template.
Gary
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| Gary White 2005-01-15, 4:15 am |
| Murray *TMM* wrote:
>Bingo. You da man. That's the way to use them.
I'm Super Ficialman. ;-)
Gary
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| dan mode 2005-01-15, 4:15 am |
| why wouldn't you use dynamic content with a site that size? or even half
that size?
Dan
blah blah <blah> lengthy signatures rule
"Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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> I have always said that templates (alone) are only useful on sites less
than
> 100 pages. Some would say much less than 100 pages! 8)
>
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> "SamMan" <sam@psfdevrip-it.com> wrote in message
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>I have a 43 page site and actually got so caught up I forgot to create a
> template.. should I still do one now
Definitely do something - a DW template would be better than nothing, but
SSIs would be much better.
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| dan mode 2005-01-15, 4:15 am |
| http://www.dwfaq.com/tutorials/dynamic/SSIs.asp
Dan
blah blah lengthy blah signtures blah rule
"Bolo911" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:cs3evh$iod$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> I have a 43 page site and actually got so caught up I forgot to create a
> template.. should I still do one now and just copy paste each page
information
> into the template and resave each page ? many here have mentioned SSl what
is
> it ? where can I learn more about it ? any good videos on SSl/CSS or books
for
> newbies ? Sebby
>
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| Gary White 2005-01-15, 4:15 am |
| SamMan wrote:
>In any case, your usage example is a good one, Gary... Thanks again.
Thank you. You're welcome.
Gary
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| Bolo911 2005-01-15, 4:15 am |
| I have a 43 page site and actually got so caught up I forgot to create a
template.. should I still do one now and just copy paste each page information
into the template and resave each page ? many here have mentioned SSl what is
it ? where can I learn more about it ? any good videos on SSl/CSS or books for
newbies ? Sebby
| |
| Gary White 2005-01-15, 4:16 am |
| P@tty wrote:
>Hm.. I do the same thing, but without involving DW templates.. I just save
>an HTML file with all the includes in it.
I tried that. I often accidentally hit Save without renaming it. <sigh>
In all honesty, I went back to using templates, but normally disconnect
the pages from the template as soon as I create them. There's less harm
done then if I forget. Here's the entire, one and only, editable area of
my latest template:
<!-- TemplateBeginEditable name="Content" -->
Disconnect from template.
<!-- TemplateEndEditable -->
:-)
Gary
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| Dan Vendel *GOF* 2005-01-15, 4:16 am |
| Winifred Day wrote:
> Pablo wrote:
>
>
> I use a combination of templates and SSIs. Here's my workflow:
>
> Build a sample.html page. Get everything where I want it. Make sure
> the nav works, that the CSS file is linked, the whole nine yards.
>
> Yank out the bits and pieces for the various SSIs - usually header,
> footer, nav, subnav if there is one.
>
> Create a template out of what's left.
>
> Base all new child pages on the template. They'll automatically call
> the appropriate SSIs.
>
> This way the structure for each page is in the template, but the
> site-wide content is in the SSIs.
>
> Make sense?
>
> Win
> --
Yeah, that's how I do, too.
Excellent.
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| (_seb_) 2005-01-15, 4:16 am |
| google search => "SSI" and/or "Server Side Include" and/or "SSI tutorials"
Bolo911 wrote:
> I have a 43 page site and actually got so caught up I forgot to create a
> template.. should I still do one now and just copy paste each page information
> into the template and resave each page ? many here have mentioned SSl what is
> it ? where can I learn more about it ? any good videos on SSl/CSS or books for
> newbies ? Sebby
>
| |
|
|
>
> Because they lack the ability to use a server-side programming platform
> instead :-)))
That's the only reason I ever use them these days - because I'm stuck with a
web host who doesn't support includes of any kind. Other than that, I have
no use for them at all. :-)
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| Dan Vendel *GOF* 2005-01-15, 4:16 am |
| Gary White wrote:
> P@tty wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I tried that. I often accidentally hit Save without renaming it. <sigh>
> In all honesty, I went back to using templates, but normally disconnect
> the pages from the template as soon as I create them. There's less harm
> done then if I forget. Here's the entire, one and only, editable area of
> my latest template:
>
> <!-- TemplateBeginEditable name="Content" -->
> Disconnect from template.
> <!-- TemplateEndEditable -->
>
> :-)
>
>
> Gary
Plus the obvious advantage: when moving files attached, links are being
updated.
--
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"Eagles may soar, free and proud, but weasels never get sucked into jet
engines."
Contact: http://www.proformica.com/contact.shtml or call/chat me via
Skype ID: danvendel, but DON'T ask questions that you can ask here! (get
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|
|
> I'm Super Ficialman. ;-)
Nice to meet you - I'm Miss Underestimated. =)
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| dan mode 2005-01-15, 4:16 am |
| > Hm.. I do the same thing, but without involving DW templates.. I just save
> an HTML file with all the includes in it.
same
Dan
blah blah bl@h lengthy signtures rule
"P@tty" <patty@carolinawebsolutions.com> wrote in message
news:cs3la8$r6d$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>
>
> Hm.. I do the same thing, but without involving DW templates.. I just save
> an HTML file with all the includes in it.
>
>
> --
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> Free Articles on the Business of Web Development
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> --
>
>
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|
|
> I often use them to assemble SSI files. It just makes life simpler when
> creating new pages. The completed page might be a page which includes
> six or seven other files. Using a template, I click
> File->New->Templates, choose the template and I get a page with all the
> necessary includes already in it.
Hm.. I do the same thing, but without involving DW templates.. I just save
an HTML file with all the includes in it.
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| Gary White 2005-01-15, 4:16 am |
| P@tty wrote:
>
>
>Nice to meet you - I'm Miss Underestimated. =)
<LOL>
Gary
| |
|
|
|
|
> Plus the obvious advantage: when moving files attached, links are being
> updated.
But, links get updated in my non-DW-template "template" too.
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|
|
> I tried that. I often accidentally hit Save without renaming it. <sigh>
> In all honesty, I went back to using templates, but normally disconnect
> the pages from the template as soon as I create them. ..
Right, good point.. might be a better system overall.
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|
| > I tried that. I often accidentally hit Save without renaming it. <sigh>
> In all honesty, I went back to using templates, but normally disconnect
> the pages from the template as soon as I create them.
I actually used to use library items that way a lot, as a lazy form of
snippets, until I took the time to get used to using them. (Actually, I've
never found DW's snippets useful, but just love Tom Muck's "Sniplets"
extension.) :-)
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| Dan Vendel *GOF* 2005-01-15, 4:16 am |
| dan mode wrote:
> no need to worry about this with SSI or dynamic content
> :)
Well, you still need some code on the page to pull the SSI, right?
And you likely have some other code on the pages here and there.
At any rate, I think this is pretty infantile and useless discussion: If
you do *that* way and I do *this* way and we're both happy with the
result, W3C is happy, the client is happy, users are happy and the guys
at IRS are happy - why is one method regarded as wrong and the other
being above all criticism?
Could it be the geek factor?
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| Winifred Day 2005-01-15, 4:16 am |
| Massimo Foti wrote:
> "Pablo" <dunno@dunno.com> wrote in message
> news:cs1kdm$ejl$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>
>
>
> Because they lack the ability to use a server-side programming platform
> instead :-)))
>
Nope. <buzzer> I use both - that's when they're the most powerful in my
opinion.
Template for the overall page structure.
SSIs for repeating content.
Although I must admit to not using the "advanced" template features like
template parameters - easier to do that with ASP/VBScript variables,
Server.Execute, etc. I use templates for the site management feature.
Win
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| Gary White 2005-01-15, 4:16 am |
| P@tty wrote:
>I actually used to use library items that way a lot, as a lazy form of
>snippets, until I took the time to get used to using them. (Actually, I've
>never found DW's snippets useful, but just love Tom Muck's "Sniplets"
>extension.) :-)
I've never really gotten into snippets either. It would probably save me
some work if I did, but I'm pretty comfortable where I am.
Gary
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| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-15, 4:16 am |
| I don't think you do. Templates are likely quite a bit more complex than
you think.
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"dan mode" <dan.mode@feelingrandy.com> wrote in message
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> are you hiding something from me? do you have some sort of 'inside'
> information?
>
> I think I understand them - handy as they may be - I'll use something else
> :)
>
> Dan
> blah blah roof it blah lengthy signatures rule
>
>
> "Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:cs49fl$k7d$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> them
> Technotes
> templates..
> which
> templates..
> Worksheet
>
>
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| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-15, 4:16 am |
| When you tell me how to manually create a template optional region, then
I'll tell you.
Really, the point is that if you don't understand the scope of a feature,
then you are not in a position to comment on it, no?
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"dan mode" <dan.mode@feelingrandy.com> wrote in message
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> ahhh, but do you know what my favorite color is?
>
> Dan
>
> blah blah halogreen blah lengthy signatures rule
>
>
> "Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:cs4a5c$kra$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> else
> xml.
> Technotes
> in
> the
> it
> Resources
> life
> page
>
>
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| dan mode 2005-01-15, 4:16 am |
| ahhh, but do you know what my favorite color is?
Dan
blah blah halogreen blah lengthy signatures rule
"Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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> I don't think you do. Templates are likely quite a bit more complex than
> you think.
>
> --
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> "dan mode" <dan.mode@feelingrandy.com> wrote in message
> news:cs49nn$kif$1@forums.macromedia.com...
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| dan mode 2005-01-15, 4:16 am |
| wrong - halogreen (see my signature)...
my point is - we all have preferences in web designing and found methods and
tools to accomplish this, and I'm not condemning them...just saying that
I've found greater success in using other methods - you use what you know &
prefer...and I'll use mine. Then we'll get together and have a Beer or a
Pepsi, no?
Dan
blah blah halogreen blah lengthy signatures rule
"Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
news:cs4an3$lfm$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> When you tell me how to manually create a template optional region, then
> I'll tell you.
>
> Really, the point is that if you don't understand the scope of a feature,
> then you are not in a position to comment on it, no?
>
> --
> Murray --- ICQ 71997575
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> "dan mode" <dan.mode@feelingrandy.com> wrote in message
> news:cs4aho$lbe$1@forums.macromedia.com...
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| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-15, 4:16 am |
| Yeah - I know about the ICQ thing. I had to restart the Mac several times.
Dang flaky OS Panther..... 8)
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"dan mode" <dan.mode@feelingrandy.com> wrote in message
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> green eggs 'n ham, huh? perhaps when I have another project coming up
> that
> is 10 - 15 pages...just to make YOU happy. :)
>
> (your icq - on..off..on..off)
>
> Dan
>
> blah blah ICQ 172300752 blah lengthy signatures rule
>
>
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| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-15, 4:16 am |
| I can't get you to rise to the bait, then?
Would you be willing to try?
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>
> I try not to ;)
>
> Dan
>
> blah blah *hmmm, OUCH* blah lengthy signatures rule
>
>
> "Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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> I'm
> know
> then
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> 'inside'
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| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-15, 4:16 am |
| Maybe you would find something new by taking a look, ya think?
Yes, we all have our styles. And whatever works best is a good one.
On the other hand, I was amazed by what I found when I looked under the
template 'hood'. Those I see here who condemn them have not done that, I'm
pretty sure....
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"dan mode" <dan.mode@feelingrandy.com> wrote in message
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> wrong - halogreen (see my signature)...
>
> my point is - we all have preferences in web designing and found methods
> and
> tools to accomplish this, and I'm not condemning them...just saying that
> I've found greater success in using other methods - you use what you know
> &
> prefer...and I'll use mine. Then we'll get together and have a Beer or a
> Pepsi, no?
>
> Dan
> blah blah halogreen blah lengthy signatures rule
>
> "Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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> than
> Technotes
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| dan mode 2005-01-15, 4:16 am |
| >I had to restart the Mac several times.
OK - thought you were doing it just to force me to be a templatieer. :)
Dan
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> Yeah - I know about the ICQ thing. I had to restart the Mac several
times.
> Dang flaky OS Panther..... 8)
>
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>
>
| |
|
| :)
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> "Murray *TMM*" wrote
>
the[color=darkred]
that,[color=darkred]
>
> I will be willing to try - at last. :-)
>
> And I have just got my library here in Denmark to buy book as the first
so
> maybe you in the future will get a lot of orders if the danish find your
> book about template worth buying.:-)
>
> As you have told me a lot of times I'm one of the people who really don't
> know about how much templates can do for you so I'm waiting in great
> suspense to receive the book and hopefully I will understand after reading
> this why you always talk so keen about templates.
>
> "Gary White" wrote
>
> Will the book cover examples like this which every body here in the thread
> accept as "the way to do it"? And if not why not make a chapter on your
> array site for the book?
>
> /Tine
>
>
>
>
| |
| Winifred Day 2005-01-15, 12:15 pm |
| P@tty wrote:
>
>
> But, isn't the overall page structure repeating content too? Why not just
> use SSIs for it as well? :-)
>
>
How then would I build new pages - by having to insert the calls to the
SSIs each time, in the correct order, etc.?
With a template, the structure is in the template. So are the calls to
the SSIs. If the SSI I want in a particular place changes with the
specific page, I'll use Server.Execute with a variable name, and define
the variable as the correct filename for that page in the VBScript at
the top of the page.
I think I've got a sample of this stuff zipped up somewhere that I
created to show someone else how I was doing it. I can upload it or
send it if you're interested.
Win
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| dan mode 2005-01-15, 12:15 pm |
| >And I have just got my library here in Denmark to buy book as the first so
maybe you in the future will get a lot of orders if the danish find your
book about template worth buying.:-)
it could be in large 72 pt block letters and I still wouldn't understand it.
:)
Dan
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"Tine Müller" <tinem@email.dk> wrote in message
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> "Murray *TMM*" wrote
>
the[color=darkred]
that,[color=darkred]
>
> I will be willing to try - at last. :-)
>
> And I have just got my library here in Denmark to buy book as the first
so
> maybe you in the future will get a lot of orders if the danish find your
> book about template worth buying.:-)
>
> As you have told me a lot of times I'm one of the people who really don't
> know about how much templates can do for you so I'm waiting in great
> suspense to receive the book and hopefully I will understand after reading
> this why you always talk so keen about templates.
>
> "Gary White" wrote
>
> Will the book cover examples like this which every body here in the thread
> accept as "the way to do it"? And if not why not make a chapter on your
> array site for the book?
>
> /Tine
>
>
>
>
| |
| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-15, 12:16 pm |
| But using DW Templates does not make your site dependent on DW at all.
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"P@tty" <patty@carolinawebsolutions.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> No, I understand why you need a template (that's exactly what I do) - just
> not why a Dreamweaver template. I suppose you might eventually want to
> change the basic structure of the page in some way, and then the DW
> template would be useful. But again, for me, that would only be useful for
> a small site.
>
> I just don't like having my site being dependent upon Dreamweaver.. so,
> other than the scenario above (a small site, when the basic page structure
> might need to be changed), I find that a simple HTML template is
> preferable..
>
> Different strokes, I'd say. :-)
>
>
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| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-15, 12:16 pm |
| I wanted to see the scope of your understanding of templates. I see that
it's narrow.
But the answer to your question is yes. To get that function (and most of
the other functions of templates) you would need to have DW. But you do not
need to have it to get ALL of them. For example, you can manually add
template markup to protect page regions for the Contribute user, and never
touch Dreamweaver.
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"P@tty" <patty@carolinawebsolutions.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Updating multiple pages automatically.
>
> Not sure what you're getting at, Mur-Mur. :-D
>
>
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| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-15, 12:16 pm |
| > is MM dedicated to supporting
> these things?
You would have to ask them that question. Templates have been in DW for a
mighty long time, and since their competition use functions similar to them
(although nowhere near as robust), I'd guess that they will support them
into perpetuity. The learned a hard lesson from the Timeline fiasco in
DMX2004 - I don't suppose they want to go there again.
> Will I be left out in the cold along with the others that subscribe to
> Murr/template forum?
If that happened, you, and I would have to retrofit those sites with
Includes, yes. But that's really not such a hard thing - particularly if
you still have the version that supports Templates.
> After all - there are a lot of people that have
> problems with them. I mean look at this thread and forum.
There are alot of people who have trouble with pseudo-classes, too.
Templates, like any other tool, require some study to use properly. When
used improperly, they break. Most things work that way.
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"dan mode" <dan.mode@feelingrandy.com> wrote in message
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> well I want the facts before I buy it Murr...is MM dedicated to supporting
> these things? What if (hypothetical) MM stops using templates after I
> purchase your book and after I have converted all my sites to templates?
> Will I be left out in the cold along with the others that subscribe to
> Murr/template forum? After all - there are a lot of people that have
> problems with them. I mean look at this thread and forum.
>
> Dan
>
> blah blah lengthy signatures rule
>
>
> "Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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>
>
| |
| e_clare 2005-01-15, 12:16 pm |
| I LOVE EM... i create the 'template' pic in photoshop, slice it, then transfer into DW, then jus resave it to make all my new pages.. wouldnt do it any other way..!
| |
| P@tty 2005-01-15, 12:16 pm |
|
> But using DW Templates does not make your site dependent on DW at all.
Ok, you're picking at semantics now. :-) How's this: "The ability to use
DW Templates for the only thing they're good for is dependent on DW."
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| dan mode 2005-01-15, 12:16 pm |
| Murr,
let me ask you this: when were templates first introduced in DW? version?
What was their original purpose? I'm not going to read your book - give me
just a little tid bit
Dan
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> But using DW Templates does not make your site dependent on DW at all.
>
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| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-15, 12:16 pm |
| Why don't you tell me what is the "only thing they are good for" and then
I'll answer the question.
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"P@tty" <patty@carolinawebsolutions.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Ok, you're picking at semantics now. :-) How's this: "The ability to use
> DW Templates for the only thing they're good for is dependent on DW."
>
>
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| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-15, 12:16 pm |
| > ...and, in your opinion, what are the true benefits?
The true benefits (but if I answer this question then it will be a giveaway
to the question which I recently posed to P@tty! - what to do?) of templates
(in my opinion) are two:
1. the design-time logic that can be specified in their markup, and
2. the ability to keep a 'safe' page infrastructure layout (much like Gary
described) that cannot be inadvertantly overwritten
It's coming a little at a time. We are now into the 2nd paragraph of the
introduction of the book. Keep 'em coming though - that first chapter is da
bomb....
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> ...and, in your opinion, what are the true benefits? any cons or
> restrictions? what would you change about them?
>
> Dan
>
> blah blah QnA blah lengthy signatures rule
>
>
> "Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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> that
> version?
>
>
| |
| P@tty 2005-01-15, 12:16 pm |
|
>
> Nope. <buzzer> I use both - that's when they're the most powerful in my
> opinion.
>
> Template for the overall page structure.
>
> SSIs for repeating content.
But, isn't the overall page structure repeating content too? Why not just
use SSIs for it as well? :-)
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| dan mode 2005-01-15, 12:16 pm |
| ok - with that said:
>Keep 'em coming though - that first chapter is da
> bomb....
....any chance I could get a free, autographed copy?
Dan
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>
> The true benefits (but if I answer this question then it will be a
giveaway
> to the question which I recently posed to P@tty! - what to do?) of
templates
> (in my opinion) are two:
>
> 1. the design-time logic that can be specified in their markup, and
> 2. the ability to keep a 'safe' page infrastructure layout (much like
Gary
> described) that cannot be inadvertantly overwritten
>
> It's coming a little at a time. We are now into the 2nd paragraph of the
> introduction of the book. Keep 'em coming though - that first chapter is
da
> bomb....
>
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> "dan mode" <dan.mode@feelingrandy.com> wrote in message
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logic".[color=darkred]
all.[color=darkred]
Technotes[color=darkred]
>
>
| |
| P@tty 2005-01-15, 12:16 pm |
|
> How then would I build new pages - by having to insert the calls to the
> SSIs each time, in the correct order, etc.?
No, I understand why you need a template (that's exactly what I do) - just
not why a Dreamweaver template. I suppose you might eventually want to
change the basic structure of the page in some way, and then the DW template
would be useful. But again, for me, that would only be useful for a small
site.
I just don't like having my site being dependent upon Dreamweaver.. so,
other than the scenario above (a small site, when the basic page structure
might need to be changed), I find that a simple HTML template is
preferable..
Different strokes, I'd say. :-)
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| dan mode 2005-01-15, 7:15 pm |
| green eggs 'n ham, huh? perhaps when I have another project coming up that
is 10 - 15 pages...just to make YOU happy. :)
(your icq - on..off..on..off)
Dan
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> I can't get you to rise to the bait, then?
>
> Would you be willing to try?
>
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> "dan mode" <dan.mode@feelingrandy.com> wrote in message
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| dan mode 2005-01-17, 7:14 pm |
| Murr?
anything? did you see this?
Dan
blah blah pink blah lengthy signatures rule
"dan mode" <dan.mode@feelingrandy.com> wrote in message
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> well I want the facts before I buy it Murr...is MM dedicated to supporting
> these things? What if (hypothetical) MM stops using templates after I
> purchase your book and after I have converted all my sites to templates?
> Will I be left out in the cold along with the others that subscribe to
> Murr/template forum? After all - there are a lot of people that have
> problems with them. I mean look at this thread and forum.
>
> Dan
>
> blah blah lengthy signatures rule
>
>
> "Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:cs9i11$nru$1@forums.macromedia.com...
list!![color=darkred]
>
>
| |
| Massimo Foti 2005-01-17, 7:14 pm |
| > well I want the facts before I buy it Murr...is MM dedicated to supporting
> these things? What if (hypothetical) MM stops using templates after I
> purchase your book and after I have converted all my sites to templates?
> Will I be left out in the cold along with the others that subscribe to
> Murr/template forum? After all - there are a lot of people that have
> problems with them. I mean look at this thread and forum.
The tools you use aren't just tools, they're risks. Every time you use
somebody's framework, or IDE, or library, or interface, or what-have-you,
you are essentially investing in that team/person/company. If that tool
suddenly goes away, or takes a sharp right turn when you were hoping for a
left, then your project might suffer as a result.
- Justin Gehtland
----------------------------
Massimo Foti
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CF tools: http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/
----------------------------
| |
| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-17, 7:14 pm |
| Yes - and I posted a response....
> is MM dedicated to supporting
> these things?
You would have to ask them that question. Templates have been in DW for a
mighty long time, and since their competition use functions similar to them
(although nowhere near as robust), I'd guess that they will support them
into perpetuity. The learned a hard lesson from the Timeline fiasco in
DMX2004 - I don't suppose they want to go there again.
> Will I be left out in the cold along with the others that subscribe to
> Murr/template forum?
If that happened, you, and I would have to retrofit those sites with
Includes, yes. But that's really not such a hard thing - particularly if
you still have the version that supports Templates.
> After all - there are a lot of people that have
> problems with them. I mean look at this thread and forum.
There are alot of people who have trouble with pseudo-classes, too.
Templates, like any other tool, require some study to use properly. When
used improperly, they break. Most things work that way.
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"dan mode" <dan.mode@feelingrandy.com> wrote in message
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> Murr?
> anything? did you see this?
>
> Dan
>
> blah blah pink blah lengthy signatures rule
>
> "dan mode" <dan.mode@feelingrandy.com> wrote in message
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> list!!
>
>
| |
| (_seb_) 2005-01-17, 7:14 pm |
|
This is true with proprietary tools (like DMX templates), but not true
with open-source tools. Open-source tools are not likely to desappear
once they have attained mainstream, because nobody can make them
desappear, and it is everybody's choice (not one company's) to sustain
them, maintain them, and developp them. Mainstream open-source Tools
can't turn their back on you.
And that's part of why I always say:
DMX templates = bad
PHP = Much much better
>
>
> The tools you use aren't just tools, they're risks. Every time you use
> somebody's framework, or IDE, or library, or interface, or what-have-you,
> you are essentially investing in that team/person/company. If that tool
> suddenly goes away, or takes a sharp right turn when you were hoping for a
> left, then your project might suffer as a result.
> - Justin Gehtland
>
> ----------------------------
> Massimo Foti
> DW tools: http://www.massimocorner.com
> CF tools: http://www.olimpo.ch/tmt/
> ----------------------------
>
>
>
| |
| dan mode 2005-01-17, 7:14 pm |
| Murr,
thanks for the reply - I think that your response to my question (as well as
the others) is good to have in this thread.
OT - I was at Barnes and Nobble Saturday, couldn't find your book. Do they
have it there?
Dan
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> Yes - and I posted a response....
>
>
> You would have to ask them that question. Templates have been in DW for a
> mighty long time, and since their competition use functions similar to
them
> (although nowhere near as robust), I'd guess that they will support them
> into perpetuity. The learned a hard lesson from the Timeline fiasco in
> DMX2004 - I don't suppose they want to go there again.
>
>
> If that happened, you, and I would have to retrofit those sites with
> Includes, yes. But that's really not such a hard thing - particularly if
> you still have the version that supports Templates.
>
>
> There are alot of people who have trouble with pseudo-classes, too.
> Templates, like any other tool, require some study to use properly. When
> used improperly, they break. Most things work that way.
>
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| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-17, 7:14 pm |
| Perhaps not - it's a bit long in the tooth, although still relevant.
You may need to look online to find it.
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> Murr,
> thanks for the reply - I think that your response to my question (as well
> as
> the others) is good to have in this thread.
>
> OT - I was at Barnes and Nobble Saturday, couldn't find your book. Do
> they
> have it there?
>
> Dan
>
> blah blah EApeaceST blah lengthy signatures rule
>
>
> "Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:csh0kt$ge4$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> them
> templates?
>
>
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| Massimo Foti 2005-01-17, 7:14 pm |
| "(_seb_)" <sebnewyork@earhlinkREMOVE-THIS.net> wrote in message
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> This is true with proprietary tools (like DMX templates), but not true
> with open-source tools. Open-source tools are not likely to desappear
> once they have attained mainstream, because nobody can make them
> desappear, and it is everybody's choice (not one company's) to sustain
> them, maintain them, and developp them. Mainstream open-source Tools
> can't turn their back on you.
Even open-source tools can become obsolete, irrelevant or evolve in ways
that don't suit your needs anymore. They are surely less prone to suddenly
go away but they are an investment anyway.
For example, I like PHP, but the fact it's not going to become a full
fledged application server made it less and less able to suit my needs. Even
if PHP 5 has many cool improvements and the development team is definitely
alive and kicking, the tool is going into a different direction compared to
what I've expected, making my existing PHP's knowledge almost irrelevant
inside my very own working environment.
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| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-17, 7:14 pm |
| Many organizations will not support an Open Source application because there
is no accountability on the "source side of things".
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> "(_seb_)" <sebnewyork@earhlinkREMOVE-THIS.net> wrote in message
> news:csh0s7$gk0$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>
> Even open-source tools can become obsolete, irrelevant or evolve in ways
> that don't suit your needs anymore. They are surely less prone to suddenly
> go away but they are an investment anyway.
>
> For example, I like PHP, but the fact it's not going to become a full
> fledged application server made it less and less able to suit my needs.
> Even
> if PHP 5 has many cool improvements and the development team is definitely
> alive and kicking, the tool is going into a different direction compared
> to
> what I've expected, making my existing PHP's knowledge almost irrelevant
> inside my very own working environment.
>
> ----------------------------
> Massimo Foti
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> ----------------------------
>
>
>
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|
|
|
|
|
| >I wanted to see the scope of your understanding of templates. I see that
>it's narrow.
I do know the basics, and I know that they're proprietary to Dreamweaver.
:-)
> But the answer to your question is yes. To get that function (and most of
> the other functions of templates) you would need to have DW. But you do
> not need to have it to get ALL of them. For example, you can manually add
> template markup to protect page regions for the Contribute user, and never
> touch Dreamweaver.
Interesting, but I can't see why would someone who didn't use Dreamweaver
would be editing Dreamweaver template markup anyway. :-)
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| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-17, 7:14 pm |
| People who use Contribute and some other HTML authoring system? There are
quite a few of those.
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>
> I do know the basics, and I know that they're proprietary to Dreamweaver.
> :-)
>
>
> Interesting, but I can't see why would someone who didn't use Dreamweaver
> would be editing Dreamweaver template markup anyway. :-)
>
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| (_seb_) 2005-01-17, 7:14 pm |
| I don't know what that means.
>
>
>
> That's because there are always too many open issues ;-)
>
> Viva Zapata!
>
| |
| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-18, 12:17 pm |
| > I don't know why I bother to argue with you Murray.. you're always right.
> :-D
I've wondered that myself.... 8)
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>
> Ok.. I'm not a big fan of Ringo.. I mean Contribute.. :-D .. but then
> again, I haven't used it much.
>
> I don't know why I bother to argue with you Murray.. you're always right.
> :-D
>
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|
| I wonder what git started this thread? :)
Cheers Pablo
| |
| dan mode 2005-01-18, 7:16 pm |
| a shoulder shade wearing bloke - that loves templates, perhaps?
Dan
blah blah lengthy sigs rule
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> I wonder what git started this thread? :)
>
>
>
>
> Cheers Pablo
>
>
| |
|
| I've read into them and they are powerful tools but like anything you need
to know how to use that tool correctly, all my girlfriends have told me I've
got a great tool and I use it like a God................... but they weren't
talking about anything related to DW :)
Cheers Pablo
"dan mode" <dan.mode@feelingrandy.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> a shoulder shade wearing bloke - that loves templates, perhaps?
>
> Dan
>
> blah blah lengthy sigs rule
>
> "Pablo" <dunno@dunno.com> wrote in message
> news:csjfhs$avc$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>
>
| |
| dan mode 2005-01-18, 7:17 pm |
| LMAO
templates: I never got them to work like I thought they should and perhaps
I just fumbled around with them and maybe I gave up too prematurely....my
girlfriends have shared similar statements.:)
Dan
blah blah lengthy length rules
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> I've read into them and they are powerful tools but like anything you need
> to know how to use that tool correctly, all my girlfriends have told me
I've
> got a great tool and I use it like a God................... but they
weren't
> talking about anything related to DW :)
>
> Cheers Pablo
>
>
> "dan mode" <dan.mode@feelingrandy.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> csjflu$b6v$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>
>
| |
| Pablo 2005-01-18, 11:19 pm |
| :)
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"Tine Müller" <tinem@email.dk> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> "Murray *TMM*" wrote
>
the[color=darkred]
that,[color=darkred]
>
> I will be willing to try - at last. :-)
>
> And I have just got my library here in Denmark to buy book as the first
so
> maybe you in the future will get a lot of orders if the danish find your
> book about template worth buying.:-)
>
> As you have told me a lot of times I'm one of the people who really don't
> know about how much templates can do for you so I'm waiting in great
> suspense to receive the book and hopefully I will understand after reading
> this why you always talk so keen about templates.
>
> "Gary White" wrote
>
> Will the book cover examples like this which every body here in the thread
> accept as "the way to do it"? And if not why not make a chapter on your
> array site for the book?
>
> /Tine
>
>
>
>
| |
| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-18, 11:19 pm |
| Tine:
I hope you find it illuminating and informative!
> Will the book cover examples like this which every body here in the thread
> accept as "the way to do it"? And if not why not make a chapter on your
> array site for the book?
There will likely not be any further modifications to the book. But I could
put a chapter on the site - that's not a bad idea. However, this notion of
templates and SSI is SO simple I'm not sure it would require a whole
chapter.....
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"Tine Müller" <tinem@email.dk> wrote in message
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> "Murray *TMM*" wrote
>
>
> I will be willing to try - at last. :-)
>
> And I have just got my library here in Denmark to buy book as the first
> so
> maybe you in the future will get a lot of orders if the danish find your
> book about template worth buying.:-)
>
> As you have told me a lot of times I'm one of the people who really don't
> know about how much templates can do for you so I'm waiting in great
> suspense to receive the book and hopefully I will understand after reading
> this why you always talk so keen about templates.
>
> "Gary White" wrote
>
> Will the book cover examples like this which every body here in the thread
> accept as "the way to do it"? And if not why not make a chapter on your
> array site for the book?
>
> /Tine
>
>
>
>
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| P@tty 2005-01-18, 11:20 pm |
|
>
> Nope. <buzzer> I use both - that's when they're the most powerful in my
> opinion.
>
> Template for the overall page structure.
>
> SSIs for repeating content.
But, isn't the overall page structure repeating content too? Why not just
use SSIs for it as well? :-)
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| dan mode 2005-01-19, 4:16 am |
| >And I have just got my library here in Denmark to buy book as the first so
maybe you in the future will get a lot of orders if the danish find your
book about template worth buying.:-)
it could be in large 72 pt block letters and I still wouldn't understand it.
:)
Dan
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"Tine Müller" <tinem@email.dk> wrote in message
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> "Murray *TMM*" wrote
>
the[color=darkred]
that,[color=darkred]
>
> I will be willing to try - at last. :-)
>
> And I have just got my library here in Denmark to buy book as the first
so
> maybe you in the future will get a lot of orders if the danish find your
> book about template worth buying.:-)
>
> As you have told me a lot of times I'm one of the people who really don't
> know about how much templates can do for you so I'm waiting in great
> suspense to receive the book and hopefully I will understand after reading
> this why you always talk so keen about templates.
>
> "Gary White" wrote
>
> Will the book cover examples like this which every body here in the thread
> accept as "the way to do it"? And if not why not make a chapter on your
> array site for the book?
>
> /Tine
>
>
>
>
| |
| dan mode 2005-01-19, 4:17 am |
| ok - with that said:
>Keep 'em coming though - that first chapter is da
> bomb....
....any chance I could get a free, autographed copy?
Dan
blah blah mega blah lengthy sigs rule
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>
> The true benefits (but if I answer this question then it will be a
giveaway
> to the question which I recently posed to P@tty! - what to do?) of
templates
> (in my opinion) are two:
>
> 1. the design-time logic that can be specified in their markup, and
> 2. the ability to keep a 'safe' page infrastructure layout (much like
Gary
> described) that cannot be inadvertantly overwritten
>
> It's coming a little at a time. We are now into the 2nd paragraph of the
> introduction of the book. Keep 'em coming though - that first chapter is
da
> bomb....
>
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> "dan mode" <dan.mode@feelingrandy.com> wrote in message
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logic".[color=darkred]
all.[color=darkred]
Technotes[color=darkred]
>
>
| |
|
|
> How then would I build new pages - by having to insert the calls to the
> SSIs each time, in the correct order, etc.?
No, I understand why you need a template (that's exactly what I do) - just
not why a Dreamweaver template. I suppose you might eventually want to
change the basic structure of the page in some way, and then the DW template
would be useful. But again, for me, that would only be useful for a small
site.
I just don't like having my site being dependent upon Dreamweaver.. so,
other than the scenario above (a small site, when the basic page structure
might need to be changed), I find that a simple HTML template is
preferable..
Different strokes, I'd say. :-)
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| Winifred Day 2005-01-19, 4:18 am |
| dan mode wrote:
>
>
> But does it make the designer dependent on DW?
>
> Dan
Nope. I've recently turned over a site to a client's new developer
(don't ask, and never work for a community group committee!). The site
was based on a DW template with SSIs. He's editing in Notepad. As long
as he can see where the content goes, it doesn't matter what he use to edit.
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> But using DW Templates does not make your site dependent on DW at all.
Ok, you're picking at semantics now. :-) How's this: "The ability to use
DW Templates for the only thing they're good for is dependent on DW."
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| Murray *TMM* 2005-01-19, 4:18 am |
| > ...and, in your opinion, what are the true benefits?
The true benefits (but if I answer this question then it will be a giveaway
to the question which I recently posed to P@tty! - what to do?) of templates
(in my opinion) are two:
1. the design-time logic that can be specified in their markup, and
2. the ability to keep a 'safe' page infrastructure layout (much like Gary
described) that cannot be inadvertantly overwritten
It's coming a little at a time. We are now into the 2nd paragraph of the
introduction of the book. Keep 'em coming though - that first chapter is da
bomb....
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> ...and, in your opinion, what are the true benefits? any cons or
> restrictions? what would you change about them?
>
> Dan
>
> blah blah QnA blah lengthy signatures rule
>
>
> "Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
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> that
> version?
>
>
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