Dreamweaver - Re: Advice

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Re: Advice

P@tty

2005-01-05, 4:15 am

"larsyaiden" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Hello everyone and Happy New Year! I'm working on designing a new site and
> created this design in illustrator and now am stumped as to how I should
> progress. I'd like to create the words as jpg files, because I want to be
> able
> to control the font. But, I can't really design it using Dreamweaver the
> way I
> can in an outside program. So, how can I make each of the words link to
> another page in my site? Should I be doing this in Flash instead? And,
> if so,
> I read that Flash sites are invisible to web crawlers. Is this true? How
> do I
> overcome this? You can see the page at www.allurephoto.com/home.htm
> Thank you
> and I look forward to your advice! Natalie

When starting with one big image like that, the typical way is to slice the
whole image into rectangular pieces and then put them together using an
HTML table. The buttons can be individual slices which are linked images (in
which case you could make them into "rollovers"), or one big image which you
make into an image map.

Hope that helps. If any of that sounds like Greek, you can get information
on those techniques in the DW and Fireworks Help files.

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A.H.O.

2005-01-05, 4:15 am

Hello Natalie, First let me say that I love the design. As far as your
approach to building the page, I would slow down for a sec. Let me make some
humble suggestions that may save you some time and heartache in the future.
First and foremost is to stay out of dreamweavers layout mode. It looks great
when you first start (I fell into that trap and wasted a LOT of time), but in
the long run it creates lots of problems because it does not build a solid
page. Its hard to explain if you dont know all of the terminology (I dont
know what you know and what you dont so please dont take offense), but basicly
you draw the tables, and dreamweaver writes the code.....the problem being that
it doesnt write the code the way you want your page to look. It seems like a
drafting or draing program, but its far far different. The reality is that
making a page with tables in the design view is not only simple, but a LOT
better for your pages coding, and structural integrity. That being said, I
see that you want to design the page in a drawing program an insert it into the
page as one big picture. This again sounds great, but it creates problems.
The biggest problem is that the image is huge and that means that it is a VERY
big file. I saved it to my computer and it showed 444KB. An entire web page
should be well under 100 kbs, and most here would say under 60Kb. This means
that people with dial up modems will wait FOREVER for your page to load. It
looks to me like you can use HTML to make the majority of the design and use
the images in conjuntion. For example, you dont need the beige background in
your home page image. You can use a table to form that background and then put
the picture of the girl by itself in a 'layer' and position it just like it
looks now. Then you can do the same with the title text. Make it an image by
itself and put it into its own layer and position it occordingly. (If you
want I'll try to explain how to do all that, but any tutorial about making
Tables can do it better than me. To do this you will need to learn (If you
dont already know) how to do a few simple things. 1 make a solid foundation
with tables 2 change the attributes of those tables (Back ground color etc) 3
insert layers (Insert>layout objects>layer) making sure that you place the
cursor below any tables. This places the layer in the body of the code and not
in the table which becomes problimatic. 4 use the project 7 snap layers
behavior (there is a tutorial on this on the project 7 website. Do a google
search and it will come up) to snap the layers of your images where you want
them. Remember...snaping layers requires an anchor image. A small 1x1 pixel
image the same color as the background will work. No one will know its there,
and your layers will have an anchor point. If you want to use images of text
as you have it currently, you can do that in a layer also, or even in a table.
You can do each image seperately, making each individual image a link, OR you
can do it like you have it and put a 'hotspot' over each section of text. The
hotspot then becomes the link to the appropriate page. If you need help with
hotspots, I believe a tutorial can be found in the help file. I sure hope I
didnt confuse you. If you have more questions fire away. And dont worry. It
is a lot more simple than it sounds. As far as Flash goes...I wouldnt worry
about that. Unless you have flash content that you need to put into your page
that is.

.: Nadia :. *TMM*

2005-01-05, 4:15 am

If you want to keep the whole image as is in the url you supplied, (which I
don't think you should btw), you can create hotspots on the text to link to
your other pages. Check the DW help files for creating hotspots.

I would actually slice up the image in an image program and then import the
graphics into a table layout. Slice up the text into button size images and
use them for your navigation menu.

Probably easier said than done for you at this point, but if you are worried
about search engines finding your site, you will really need some text on
your index page so they can find you. A page using all flash or a whole
image is virtually impossible for a SE to find.

Check the last link in my sig - you will find a heap of tutorials at the MM
site to help you get started.

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"larsyaiden" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Hello everyone and Happy New Year! I'm working on designing a new site and
> created this design in illustrator and now am stumped as to how I should
> progress. I'd like to create the words as jpg files, because I want to be
> able
> to control the font. But, I can't really design it using Dreamweaver the
> way I
> can in an outside program. So, how can I make each of the words link to
> another page in my site? Should I be doing this in Flash instead? And,
> if so,
> I read that Flash sites are invisible to web crawlers. Is this true? How
> do I
> overcome this? You can see the page at www.allurephoto.com/home.htm
> Thank you
> and I look forward to your advice! Natalie
>

A.H.O.

2005-01-05, 4:15 am

OK Im bored. I took the liberty (I really hope you dont mind) and did what I
was explaining to you in my last post. Its REALLY quick and dirty. It took me
about 20 minutes with the messing with the graphics etc. It should give you an
idea of how I did it, and something to build on. I made the links like you
were wanting (actually I only did the first two to give you an idea) with the
hotspots. Heres how to see what Im talking about. Go to the address below.
When you get there, right click (not over an image) and click on the 'VIEW
SOURCE' button. This will show you all of the code for the page. Highlight
all of the code and copy it. Open a new blank page in DreamWeaver and paste
this code into the code view. This will show you how the page is put together
with the layers etc. It should give you an idea of how to proceed. If you dont
like the idea, or whatever no worries. Hope I didnt take you down the wrong
track. Oh ya...the way the page sits below it is 65KB, as compared to the
444KB. Page weight is a very important issue to pages such as yours because
consumers just wont wait for it to load. They will go on to the next page (your
competition). www.americanheritageoutdoors.com/allure.htm

larsyaiden

2005-01-05, 4:15 am

You guys are awesome! I can't thank you enough for taking the time to help me!
I've got some stinky kids I have to put to bed, so I'll look over it all
tomorrow and I'm sure I'll be getting back to you! Thank you!!!!! Natalie

.: Nadia :. *TMM*

2005-01-05, 12:14 pm

Matt,
quick question, why the need for the design layer and snap layers
extensions.
That design would / should be easy enough to accomplish with a couple of
tables.....a lot less code bloat.
I haven't tried it to test, but from the visual graphic - I would think this
would be the case :)

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"A.H.O." wrote ...
www.americanheritageoutdoors.com/allure.htm
>

Murray *TMM*

2005-01-05, 12:14 pm

Your posts would be much more readable if you came over to the NNTP forum.
Look at what I see (below).

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"A.H.O." <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Hello Natalie, First let me say that I love the design. As far as your
> approach to building the page, I would slow down for a sec. Let me make
> some
> humble suggestions that may save you some time and heartache in the
> future.
> First and foremost is to stay out of dreamweavers layout mode. It looks
> great
> when you first start (I fell into that trap and wasted a LOT of time), but
> in
> the long run it creates lots of problems because it does not build a solid
> page. Its hard to explain if you dont know all of the terminology (I
> dont
> know what you know and what you dont so please dont take offense), but
> basicly
> you draw the tables, and dreamweaver writes the code.....the problem being
> that
> it doesnt write the code the way you want your page to look. It seems
> like a
> drafting or draing program, but its far far different. The reality is
> that
> making a page with tables in the design view is not only simple, but a LOT
> better for your pages coding, and structural integrity. That being
> said, I
> see that you want to design the page in a drawing program an insert it
> into the
> page as one big picture. This again sounds great, but it creates
> problems.
> The biggest problem is that the image is huge and that means that it is a
> VERY
> big file. I saved it to my computer and it showed 444KB. An entire web
> page
> should be well under 100 kbs, and most here would say under 60Kb. This
> means
> that people with dial up modems will wait FOREVER for your page to load.
> It
> looks to me like you can use HTML to make the majority of the design and
> use
> the images in conjuntion. For example, you dont need the beige background
> in
> your home page image. You can use a table to form that background and
> then put
> the picture of the girl by itself in a 'layer' and position it just like
> it
> looks now. Then you can do the same with the title text. Make it an
> image by
> itself and put it into its own layer and position it occordingly. (If
> you
> want I'll try to explain how to do all that, but any tutorial about making
> Tables can do it better than me. To do this you will need to learn (If
> you
> dont already know) how to do a few simple things. 1 make a solid
> foundation
> with tables 2 change the attributes of those tables (Back ground color
> etc) 3
> insert layers (Insert>layout objects>layer) making sure that you place the
> cursor below any tables. This places the layer in the body of the code
> and not
> in the table which becomes problimatic. 4 use the project 7 snap layers
> behavior (there is a tutorial on this on the project 7 website. Do a
> google
> search and it will come up) to snap the layers of your images where you
> want
> them. Remember...snaping layers requires an anchor image. A small 1x1
> pixel
> image the same color as the background will work. No one will know its
> there,
> and your layers will have an anchor point. If you want to use images of
> text
> as you have it currently, you can do that in a layer also, or even in a
> table.
> You can do each image seperately, making each individual image a link, OR
> you
> can do it like you have it and put a 'hotspot' over each section of text.
> The
> hotspot then becomes the link to the appropriate page. If you need help
> with
> hotspots, I believe a tutorial can be found in the help file. I sure hope
> I
> didnt confuse you. If you have more questions fire away. And dont worry.
> It
> is a lot more simple than it sounds. As far as Flash goes...I wouldnt
> worry
> about that. Unless you have flash content that you need to put into your
> page
> that is.
>

A.H.O.

2005-01-05, 12:15 pm

Nadia, My thinking is that the design uses overlapping boarders. To keep the
image as small as possible it seems that layers would be the best way. I can't
think of any way that you can use tables to insert portions of the image and
maintain the integrity of the design. ( of course that doesnt mean much
hahaha) What I mean is....See how the picture of the girl (Very hot blonde by
the way lol) extends past the edge of the background matte on the top and
bottom? Im trying to think of ways to use nested tables, or anything, but I
cant think of any. For this problem I think that layers are the way to go. Am
I missing something? Also the biggest issue is that the title 'Allure
Photography' overlaps both the background matte and the girls image. How on
earth can you do that with a table? Unless you kept the whole image, which is
defeating the purpose anyway. My solution uses 3 tables 3 images and 2
layers and keeps it to 65 KB or less. (Im not saying its the best solution.
Im saying that its the best solution that I know of) Im curious though....how
does slicing the image and inserting it in portions help? Wouldnt the total
weight be the same? (Ive never done it, so I dont have any idea.) As for the
code....For a simple page like this one, snapping layers wouldnt add much code
at all. I suppose for a pro. web designer who uses nothin but CSS and black
magic and keeps the code of a complex page to about 12 lines it might seem
bloated. =-)

larsyaiden

2005-01-05, 12:15 pm

Good Morning! Matt-- I would prefer to use layers, since that is what I work
with in Photoshop and Illustrator, but of course, I know that they really don't
work the same way. I was a little hesitant to use layers in DW because when I
used them once before, some computers showed the layers all jumbled up--will
the anchor image solve this problem? Nadia-- I also like the idea of using
slices because I can just simply slice up my design after creating it in
illustrator. Now, when I created slices in illustrator, it saved the whole
thing as an html file. I tried uploading it and it didn't work. Should I just
take each slice individually and insert it in to the table? And, then if I
name each image, that will help my exposure for SE? But, like Matt said, many
of the elements overlap each other, so I'm not quite sure how to slice it up
and still make sure it fits together nicely. I also want to include some flash
elements on the portfolio pages to show all my pictures. So, however I decide
to design this page, I would assume would be the base for the subsequent pages.
Or should I just approach each page and redesign each page accordingly? p.s.
Matt, the blond is my sister--she is very flattered by your compliment;)

darrel

2005-01-05, 7:15 pm

> Hello everyone and Happy New Year! I'm working on designing a new site and
> created this design in illustrator

Do the layout in HTML (in DW) then use Illustrator on an as-needed basis to
'fill it in'.

> I'd like to create the words as jpg files, because I want to be able
> to control the font.

If you want to control the font, stick with print design. The web just
doesn't work that way. You can pretty up the page using some headlines as
image files, but in the end, if it's text, most of it should remain as text
on the page.

> But, I can't really design it using Dreamweaver the way I
> can in an outside program.

Right. It's a completely different mindset to design for the web than for
print. It's just something you'll get the hang of with experience.

> So, how can I make each of the words link to
> another page in my site?

It's a link. Use DW's help files for that.

> Should I be doing this in Flash instead?

It all depends.

> And, if so,
> I read that Flash sites are invisible to web crawlers. Is this true?

They can be. Both Google and Flash are getting better at this.

Though realize that Flash has all sorts of other issues you need to
consider.

-Darrel

darrel

2005-01-05, 7:15 pm

> Good Morning! Matt-- I would prefer to use layers, since that is what I
work
> with in Photoshop and Illustrator, but of course, I know that they really
don't
> work the same way.

RIght. Print is not the web. Print is not the web. Print is not the web.
Repeat that over and over. ;o)

> Nadia-- I also like the idea of using
> slices because I can just simply slice up my design after creating it in
> illustrator.

Again, though, you're designing in a fixed-cavas environment (Illustrator)
but delivering to a non-fixed canvas (the web browser).

Not that you can't do this, but just be aware of the differences between the
two mediums.

> But, like Matt said, many
> of the elements overlap each other, so I'm not quite sure how to slice it
up
> and still make sure it fits together nicely.

Upload a GIF or JPG of your visual layout for us to look at. We can help you
much better if we can see what you're going after.

-Darrel

Gary White

2005-01-05, 7:15 pm

darrel wrote:

>
>They can be. Both Google and Flash are getting better at this.

Yes, it's true. Google indexes Flash:
http://www.google.com/help/faq_filetypes.html#what

Although I have no idea how a link would ever display anything but the
opening text. If you have to click a link (or several) in the Flash
movie to actually see what you searched for, it becomes pretty
pointless.

>Though realize that Flash has all sorts of other issues you need to
>consider.

Plenty of them.

Gary

A.H.O.

2005-01-05, 7:16 pm

Layers in DW are similar to layers in your graphic program. (Everyone can boo
later) The reason I say that is that like a graphics program a DW layer is
just an area of text or image or color or whatever you want that can be moved
around the page and positioned the way that you like. They 'Float' above the
other content and can be arranged in any order you want, and they can either
overlap, or not. Using the snap layers behavior with an anchor image will keep
the layers exactly where you want them. The difference in the layers between
DW and graphic design is that in DW you create the layer and then insert
content into where a grphic layer is the actuall content. As far as the design
of interior pages....With a home page such as yours, your content pages will
have to be a bit different to hold the content. Keep the premis the same but
leave a space for pictures or info or whatever, and keep them all the same so
there is continuity throughout.

darrel

2005-01-05, 7:16 pm

> The difference in the layers between
> DW and graphic design [software]

....is the medium you are delivering the content to. That is the key
difference and is perhaps the important thing to understand for any graphic
designer coming from the world of print.

harlene

2005-01-05, 7:16 pm

Murray said:

"Your posts would be much more readable if you came over to the NNTP forum.
Look at what I see (below)."

What's the NNTP forum?

(This is a fascinating thread, btw)

Murray *TMM*

2005-01-05, 7:16 pm

news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver

It's a newsreader feed of the garbage you get through the webforum - it's
faster, cleaner, easier to use, and it's where all the cool people hang out.

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"harlene" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Murray said:
>
> "Your posts would be much more readable if you came over to the NNTP
> forum.
> Look at what I see (below)."
>
> What's the NNTP forum?
>
> (This is a fascinating thread, btw)
>

harlene

2005-01-05, 7:16 pm

(Sorry for the side conversation but I don't know how to reach Murray any other
way.)
I use a newsreader to read these forums (Sage via Firefox). Why doesn't my
post reflect "newsgroup reader"??

Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver It's a newsreader
feed of the garbage you get through the webforum - it's faster, cleaner,
easier to use, and it's where all the cool people hang out. --
 Murray

Murray *TMM*

2005-01-05, 7:16 pm

I dunno - are you connecting to news://forums.macromedia.com, or to
http://webforums.macromedia.com?

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"harlene" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> (Sorry for the side conversation but I don't know how to reach Murray any
> other
> way.)
> I use a newsreader to read these forums (Sage via Firefox). Why doesn't
> my
> post reflect "newsgroup reader"??
>
>
> Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
> news://forums.macromedia.com/macromedia.dreamweaver It's a
> newsreader
> feed of the garbage you get through the webforum - it's faster,
> cleaner,
> easier to use, and it's where all the cool people hang out. --
> Murray
>
>

A.H.O.

2005-01-05, 11:15 pm

By the way Natalie...I don't suppose your sister is anywhere near Montana is she? lol

Just out of curiosity, which way are you going with your site?

P@tty

2005-01-06, 7:17 pm

> ...and it's where all the cool people hang out.

And Murray hangs out here too.

:-)
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2005-01-06, 7:17 pm

*hang* is the operative word. 8)

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"P@tty" <patty@carolinawebsolutions.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> And Murray hangs out here too.
>
> :-)
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Murray *TMM*

2005-01-06, 7:17 pm

> (Aren't we going to get in trouble for not sticking to the topic?)

Yes - definitely. We have your name.

> Turns out I can't use my newsreader for the forum's NNTP connection

Why? What is your newsreader? Is this a firewall/usenet thing?

> connect via the RSS feed. So, does this make me semi-cool?

It makes you the beyond cool trendsetter. For a few minutes....

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"harlene" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
> I dunno - are you connecting to news://forums.macromedia.com, or to
> http://webforums.macromedia.com? -- 
>
> Turns out I can't use my newsreader for the forum's NNTP connection but I
> can
> use my reader to connect via the RSS feed. So, does this make me
> semi-cool?
>
> (Aren't we going to get in trouble for not sticking to the topic?)
>

harlene

2005-01-06, 7:17 pm

Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
I dunno - are you connecting to news://forums.macromedia.com, or to
 http://webforums.macromedia.com? -- 

Turns out I can't use my newsreader for the forum's NNTP connection but I can
use my reader to connect via the RSS feed. So, does this make me semi-cool?

(Aren't we going to get in trouble for not sticking to the topic?)

harlene

2005-01-06, 11:15 pm

Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
We have your name.

Maybe so, but you don't know where I live! :D

> Turns out I can't use my newsreader for the forum's NNTP connection

>Why? What is your newsreader? Is this a firewall/usenet thing?

Nope, not a firewall/usenet issue. I use Sage, a cool newsreader extension
for Firefox. This is what the owner of Sage said when I asked him about the
problem: "The sever in question appears to be a NNTP newsgroup server and not a
feed based (RSS, ATOM,
etc) source. Sage does not talk NNTP, so you may not be able to use it with
those forums."

(Murray, can you please tell me how to get rid of that avatar that posts over
my name!? I can't figure out how to turn the dude off.)

Murray *TMM*

2005-01-06, 11:15 pm

> (Murray, can you please tell me how to get rid of that avatar that posts
> over
> my name!? I can't figure out how to turn the dude off.)

Since I don't use the webforum, I have no idea - sorry.

> Sage does not talk NNTP, so you may not be able to use it with
> those forums."

Well, for heaven sakes, get a newsreader that does. Even use
OutlookExpress.

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"harlene" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Originally posted by: Newsgroup User
> We have your name.
>
> Maybe so, but you don't know where I live! :D
>
>
>
> Nope, not a firewall/usenet issue. I use Sage, a cool newsreader
> extension
> for Firefox. This is what the owner of Sage said when I asked him about
> the
> problem: "The sever in question appears to be a NNTP newsgroup server and
> not a
> feed based (RSS, ATOM,
> etc) source. Sage does not talk NNTP, so you may not be able to use it
> with
> those forums."
>
> (Murray, can you please tell me how to get rid of that avatar that posts
> over
> my name!? I can't figure out how to turn the dude off.)
>
>
>

Gary White

2005-01-06, 11:15 pm

"harlene" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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>
> Nope, not a firewall/usenet issue. I use Sage, a cool newsreader
extension
> for Firefox. This is what the owner of Sage said when I asked him about
the
> problem: "The sever in question appears to be a NNTP newsgroup server and
not a
> feed based (RSS, ATOM,
> etc) source. Sage does not talk NNTP, so you may not be able to use it
with
> those forums."

The problem is a duplication of terminology. For a great many years, the
term news reader referred to an application designed to read Usenet news
group posts via NNTP. Recently, the XML derived RSS protocol has surfaced
and specialized programs called news aggregators are used to collect and
display that data. Those programs are often referred to as news readers. You
seem to have the latter when you actually need the former. If you like the
Mozilla Group products, try Thunderbird.

Gary

Murray *TMM*

2005-01-07, 12:15 pm

You're thinking of the SnapThong extension? <ouch>

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"Bonnie in Sacramento" <kroko@endofmyropesbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Murray *TMM* wrote:
>
> Murray,
>
> doesn't your thong alleviate that problem? Or is the leopardskin not as,
> er, robust?
>
> --
> Bonnie in Sacramento
> kroko at
> sbcglobal dot net
> http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/...ts/CTDSites.woa

harlene

2005-01-07, 7:15 pm

Gary said:
If you like the Mozilla Group products, try Thunderbird.

It sounds a bit dumb, but I downloaded Thunderbird and could not figure out
how to connect it to any news feeds.

(And I'm on a Mac. I don't use Outlook.)

Gary White

2005-01-07, 7:15 pm

harlene wrote:

> It sounds a bit dumb, but I downloaded Thunderbird and could not figure out
>how to connect it to any news feeds.

Again, there is a terminology issue at work. RSS uses "feeds". NNTP uses
servers. You add a server by clicking File->New->Account. In the dialog,
select Newsgroup account and click Next.

Enter your name in the block provided. I would suggest you obfuscate
your e-mail address unless you just happen to like spam. ;-) Click Next.

In the Newsgroup Server block, put: forums.macromedia.com and click
Next.

You can leave the Account Name as it defaults, or you can name it
something else if you like. You are the only one who will see that.
Click Next, then click Finish.

Gary

Murray *TMM*

2005-01-07, 7:15 pm

Do you have Entourage?

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"harlene" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Gary said:
> If you like the Mozilla Group products, try Thunderbird.
>
> It sounds a bit dumb, but I downloaded Thunderbird and could not figure
> out
> how to connect it to any news feeds.
>
> (And I'm on a Mac. I don't use Outlook.)
>

harlene

2005-01-07, 7:16 pm

Yep.

Is Entourage easy to set up as a newsreader?

(When I asked you how I could get rid of the avatar, I forgot you don't see what I see on these forums.)

harlene

2005-01-07, 11:14 pm

Thanks.

Nice Web site--clever title. :cool;

Murray *TMM*

2005-01-07, 11:14 pm

Thanks!

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"harlene" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks.
>
> Nice Web site--clever title. :cool;

Murray *TMM*

2005-01-10, 12:17 pm

Bonnie in Sacramento

2005-01-10, 7:16 pm

Murray *TMM* wrote:

> *hang* is the operative word. 8)
>
Murray,

doesn't your thong alleviate that problem? Or is the leopardskin not
as, er, robust?

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kroko at
sbcglobal dot net
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Murray *TMM*

2005-01-10, 7:16 pm

Murray *TMM*

2005-01-10, 7:17 pm

Murray *TMM*

2005-01-10, 7:17 pm

> Is Entourage easy to set up as a newsreader?

Yeah - which version do you have? I am 11.1 and it is very simple to set
up.

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"harlene" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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> Yep.
>
> Is Entourage easy to set up as a newsreader?
>
> (When I asked you how I could get rid of the avatar, I forgot you don't
> see what I see on these forums.)

Murray *TMM*

2005-01-10, 7:17 pm

I am not a Macromedia employee. But you can email me offlist at forums at
domain dot com, if you replace 'domain' with 'great-web-sights'.

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"harlene" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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>I have the same version.
>
> "Easy to set up"<----Famous last words!
>
> Is there a way through Macromedia I can contact you directly if I have
> problems?

harlene

2005-01-10, 7:17 pm

I have the same version.

"Easy to set up"<----Famous last words!

Is there a way through Macromedia I can contact you directly if I have problems?

A.H.O.

2005-01-12, 7:15 am

A.H.O.

2005-01-12, 7:15 am

harlene

2005-01-12, 12:15 pm

Gary White

2005-01-12, 12:15 pm