Dreamweaver - Re: About Templates

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Re: About Templates

Anne

2004-08-13, 12:15 pm

This is another shortsided analysis by another clueless TMM volunteer.

If it's a large web site, e.g. hundreds of pages, the designer or developer
is most likely on a high speed connection to begin with because only those
people who have the equipment and tools are going to be chosen to do work on
a hundred page web site in the first place. To do otherwise would be like
saying, "Hey, let's choose this designer who still works on a 14" 640x480
monitor!!"

Next, if it's a large web site and you make a change to a template and you
have to upload a hundred files, the time involved is the time for just the
HTML files as opposed to any images. It's the images that take up at least
50% or more of the file bandwidth.

And when you need to test a new update on the server, you only need to
upload one file anyway to look at it to see it if works or how it looks. A
person doesn't make a single change and then upload all one hundred files to
see it looks right cause one doesn't look at all one hundred pages to begin
with.

And then just how many times are you going to really uploading a hundred
files to begin with? A person only uploads files when they are finished with
all their work anyway and they are going to want to be taking a break
anyway.

And then on top of that, large web sites are looking for performance anyway
and SSI include files are always going to be slower than templates that
generate pure HTML. So you would doing your big client with a big website a
disservice by using include files if you can't avoid it.

It amazes me how TMM volunteers make such the biggest blunders. It reminds
me of the academic world who are completely clueless to the real world.

TMM volunteers typically have little real world experience and really
shouldn't be making any recommendation as they typically spend all their
time here instead of the real world actually doing real work. If
volunteers were any good, they would actually have work and they wouldn't
have any time to be answsering your questions here.

TMM volunteers are typically here to promote themselves or the company they
work for via recommendations as that's how they get paid to begin with. TMM
volunteers have to eat just like you and me. Thus be very cautious on what
they say you should do as it's typically used to further whatever company or
product they are financially connected with. They just don't tell you and
want you to think they are giving you a free lunch. So, remember there is no
free lunch here or anywhere else no matter what volunteer a.k.a. sales
person who tells you otherwise.

A good way to figure out if a person who responds to your question is likely
to be a sales person for some company is to do a Google author search and
see how many times they post per day. It it's a lot, then you can be almost
sure there is something hidden in their recommendation technically to
further the products or company they work for.

But don't get me wrong, TMM volunteers can be helpful with some issues, like
known bugs, but other than that, do your own homework before taking anyone
advice in a public forum. You really don't know who you are talking to here.

Welcome to the Real World

"Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
news:cfgj78$8df$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> Yeah - the only real downside is that it's a design-time only tool. This
> means that it changes LOCAL files which must then be uploaded again. On
> small sites, this is not a big deal, but on larger sites it can be
tedious.
>
> You might also check out server-side includes. I use them together with
> Templates, and find it to be the most efficient way of operating.
>
> --
> Murray --- ICQ 71997575
> Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver
> (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
> ==================
> http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage!
> http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources
> http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes
> ==================
>
> "twaite" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
> news:cfgim3$7rh$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> pretty
> everything
>
>

Murray *TMM*

2004-08-13, 12:16 pm

Anne:

I'll race you any time you want.

I stand by my advice. It is how I work, personally, and it is good advice.

> TMM volunteers typically have little real world experience and really
> shouldn't be making any recommendation as they typically spend all their
> time here instead of the real world actually doing real work.

This is utter nonsense. I am a freelance developer in my own successful
webdevelopment company. What's your background, dearie?

> TMM volunteers are typically here to promote themselves or the company
they
> work for via recommendations as that's how they get paid to begin with.

You are indeed the clueless one. Tell me who does this, please.

--
Murray --- ICQ 71997575
Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver
(If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
==================
http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage!
http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources
http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources
http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes
==================

"Anne" <AnneNOSPAM@quexditty.net> wrote in message
news:cfi71a$l2n$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> This is another shortsided analysis by another clueless TMM volunteer.
>
>

sfegette

2004-08-13, 11:15 pm

Wow, Anne (if that is indeed your real name)-
Not only is your post largely misinformed, but I'd also question exactly what
your qualifications are for calling to task someone with thousands of posts to
his name in this forum alone, when you have exactly one (i.e. the one I'm
responding to) and it's not even remotely helpful? Please refrain from such
ad-hominem attacks in the future, and simply move on elsewhere if you don't
have a constructive point to add. You've done nothing here except take this
thread entirely off-topic. Thanks in advance.

But you're absolutely correct on one point, Anne- researching posters' history
here is a great way to know what expertise they have to offer. I welcome
anyone reading to check Murray's thousand-plus-post record in detail, alongside
Anne's single post (also in this thread) and draw their own conclusions.

First, Team Macromedia is made up of unpaid volunteers - they are not
employed by Macromedia - selected based on the quality of their advice, stature
in their product community, expertise and experience. Now, if Murray was
really just looking to generate business from his postings in this thread,
you'd think he'd have plugged his own book on Dreamweaver templates (yet
another credit to his experience on the subject)?

Macromedia.com uses DW templates for many site sections that number well over
100 pages. I in fact just pushed a large number of template-based DW updates
up to macromedia.com before answering this post. Sure, as Murray noted- as
templates are a *design-time* feature, they do require uploading any affected
child page after updates. But issues such as images and latency can be worked
around with a little forethought and planning- it's not rocket science by any
means. If you're editing the non-editable regions within a template, you
should only have to upload images for the *global assets* once- not for every
page that subscribes to that template. But even were there a large volume of
image changes in a given template update, you could manage that scenario by
either:

a) uploading the images first, then the html pages, so that there aren't
broken image links presented to site visitors while the images transfer (best
with smaller sections where there's less risk)
b) 'bumper' the site section during an update by placing a generic, temporary
'site unavailable' index.html page in affected site sections, then push up all
your child file changes- with the 'real' index.html/index.php/index.cfm files
going up last, overwriting the 'bumper' page so that you then 'relaunch' the
updated section when the upload is complete in one fell swoop. (my preference
for larger site sections, makes things smoother for visitors overall, esp. in
very high-volume sites like mm.com)

And yes, this is all coming directly from real-world experience. I do it
*daily*.

SSIs (server-side includes) are a GREAT way to help structure large sites so
you can update a single asset on the server that propagates itself
'automatically' into the pages that subscribe to it. Yes, it does require some
web server bandwidth. However, the MM web team did plenty of performance
testing with SSIs during the last redesign, and found that their performance
impact on Apache was minimal - if not negligable. Hence they are used
liberally throughout Macromedia.com, as well as other sites I've worked on that
generate far less traffic and load. ;)
Disclaimer: I can't speak as definitively for IIS or other web servers, as I
don't generally use them (both by preference as well as necessity), for what
it's worth. I simply prefer developing with Apache on *NIX servers, which is
admittedly my own bias and not an indication of worth/value/etc. otherwise. Do
your own tests on other server platforms, draw your own conclusions.

My general $.02: Murray's advice is on the mark (from my point of view), and
Anne is trolling for flames.

twaite- should you have any specific questions as to how DW templates could be
used to structure and maintain your site, please ask them and I'm sure either
Murray or myself can give you real-world, hands-on advice you can use right
here, in this thread. I certainly won't deny I have formed my own opinions on
the subject based on my own experiences- but I only present them to you as a
reference point, so you can form your own opinions based on your own website,
server, challenges and needs. Welcome to the real world, indeed. ;-)

-Scott
Macromedia, Inc.

Annex

2004-08-14, 7:14 am

Wow, sfegette!! In your defense, you only validate what was so shortsighted
about the volunteer's post to begin with.

First, you say the macromedia.com uses SSI all over the place which now
explains why Macromedia.com is so slow to begin with. That explains a lot
about the thinking of macromedia.com, too lazy, to use the best performance
method. Next thing your will tell everyone is that macromedia.com site is
fast. Are some people delusional here? Your company makes Contribute, so
why even take a performance hit and choose SSI over templates when the
macromedia.com site is one of the heaviest and slows websites around! But
then again the MX 2004 Studio had very bad performance problems so you
telling us that the macromedia web engineers are using the slower performing
SSI explains a lot of the clueless thinking that seems prevalent not only in
the volunteers but also macromedia as well.

Second, who are you? Is seems like doing a Google search shows that you to
also hang around here too much? You seem just as almost as clueless as the
volunteers as well regarding SSI and templates except for the fact that you
finally realize that images make up a lot of the bandwidth. It seems as if
macromedia doesn't keep you busy enough if you have to hang around here all
day long and it seems macromedia has put you in the same class as the
clueless volunteers you converse with all day long.

Third, your work around answer on images below just invalided what that
other volunteer and only affirmed my previous answer.

Stop contradicting yourself and making macromedia look just as clueless as
it's volunteers.

"sfegette" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:cfjivr$63i$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> Wow, Anne (if that is indeed your real name)-
> Not only is your post largely misinformed, but I'd also question exactly
what
> your qualifications are for calling to task someone with thousands of
posts to
> his name in this forum alone, when you have exactly one (i.e. the one I'm
> responding to) and it's not even remotely helpful? Please refrain from
such
> ad-hominem attacks in the future, and simply move on elsewhere if you
don't
> have a constructive point to add. You've done nothing here except take
this
> thread entirely off-topic. Thanks in advance.
>
> But you're absolutely correct on one point, Anne- researching posters'
history
> here is a great way to know what expertise they have to offer. I welcome
> anyone reading to check Murray's thousand-plus-post record in detail,
alongside
> Anne's single post (also in this thread) and draw their own conclusions.
>
> First, Team Macromedia is made up of unpaid volunteers - they are not
> employed by Macromedia - selected based on the quality of their advice,
stature
> in their product community, expertise and experience. Now, if Murray was
> really just looking to generate business from his postings in this thread,
> you'd think he'd have plugged his own book on Dreamweaver templates (yet
> another credit to his experience on the subject)?
>
> Macromedia.com uses DW templates for many site sections that number well
over
> 100 pages. I in fact just pushed a large number of template-based DW
updates
> up to macromedia.com before answering this post. Sure, as Murray noted-
as
> templates are a *design-time* feature, they do require uploading any
affected
> child page after updates. But issues such as images and latency can be
worked
> around with a little forethought and planning- it's not rocket science by
any
> means. If you're editing the non-editable regions within a template, you
> should only have to upload images for the *global assets* once- not for
every
> page that subscribes to that template. But even were there a large volume
of
> image changes in a given template update, you could manage that scenario
by
> either:
>
> a) uploading the images first, then the html pages, so that there aren't
> broken image links presented to site visitors while the images transfer
(best
> with smaller sections where there's less risk)
> b) 'bumper' the site section during an update by placing a generic,
temporary
> 'site unavailable' index.html page in affected site sections, then push up
all
> your child file changes- with the 'real' index.html/index.php/index.cfm
files
> going up last, overwriting the 'bumper' page so that you then 'relaunch'
the
> updated section when the upload is complete in one fell swoop. (my
preference
> for larger site sections, makes things smoother for visitors overall, esp.
in
> very high-volume sites like mm.com)
>
> And yes, this is all coming directly from real-world experience. I do it
> *daily*.
>
> SSIs (server-side includes) are a GREAT way to help structure large sites
so
> you can update a single asset on the server that propagates itself
> 'automatically' into the pages that subscribe to it. Yes, it does require
some
> web server bandwidth. However, the MM web team did plenty of performance
> testing with SSIs during the last redesign, and found that their
performance
> impact on Apache was minimal - if not negligable. Hence they are used
> liberally throughout Macromedia.com, as well as other sites I've worked on
that
> generate far less traffic and load. ;)
> Disclaimer: I can't speak as definitively for IIS or other web servers,
as I
> don't generally use them (both by preference as well as necessity), for
what
> it's worth. I simply prefer developing with Apache on *NIX servers, which
is
> admittedly my own bias and not an indication of worth/value/etc.
otherwise. Do
> your own tests on other server platforms, draw your own conclusions.
>
> My general $.02: Murray's advice is on the mark (from my point of view),
and
> Anne is trolling for flames.
>
> twaite- should you have any specific questions as to how DW templates
could be
> used to structure and maintain your site, please ask them and I'm sure
either
> Murray or myself can give you real-world, hands-on advice you can use
right
> here, in this thread. I certainly won't deny I have formed my own
opinions on
> the subject based on my own experiences- but I only present them to you as
a
> reference point, so you can form your own opinions based on your own
website,
> server, challenges and needs. Welcome to the real world, indeed. ;-)
>
> -Scott
> Macromedia, Inc.
>

Bill Horvath .:CMX:.

2004-08-14, 7:14 am

Anne,
Murray is the most helpful person you'll find in this forum. He has posted
here for years, selflessly giving help to anyone needing it. He's done it
unselfishly and without expecting anything in return. He runs a successful
web design company and has more real world experience than most people who
frequent this forum. Murray is the antithesis of the qualities you have
projected onto him, and your post is extremely offensive to me and many
others who know what kind of a guy Murray is.

As for Scott, he is the Community Manager. He is supposed to "hang around
here a lot". It's part of what Macromedia pays him to do. And server side
includes are definitely the way to go. Murray's advice was right on the
money, as usual.

Being uninformed is not a badge of honor that you should flaunt.

--
Bill Horvath

"Anne" <AnneNOSPAM@quexditty.net> wrote in message
news:cfi71a$l2n$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> This is another shortsided analysis by another clueless TMM volunteer.
>
> If it's a large web site, e.g. hundreds of pages, the designer or
developer
> is most likely on a high speed connection to begin with because only those
> people who have the equipment and tools are going to be chosen to do work
on
> a hundred page web site in the first place. To do otherwise would be like
> saying, "Hey, let's choose this designer who still works on a 14" 640x480
> monitor!!"
>
> Next, if it's a large web site and you make a change to a template and you
> have to upload a hundred files, the time involved is the time for just the
> HTML files as opposed to any images. It's the images that take up at least
> 50% or more of the file bandwidth.
>
>
> And when you need to test a new update on the server, you only need to
> upload one file anyway to look at it to see it if works or how it looks. A
> person doesn't make a single change and then upload all one hundred files
to
> see it looks right cause one doesn't look at all one hundred pages to
begin
> with.
>
> And then just how many times are you going to really uploading a hundred
> files to begin with? A person only uploads files when they are finished
with
> all their work anyway and they are going to want to be taking a break
> anyway.
>
> And then on top of that, large web sites are looking for performance
anyway
> and SSI include files are always going to be slower than templates that
> generate pure HTML. So you would doing your big client with a big website
a
> disservice by using include files if you can't avoid it.
>
>
> It amazes me how TMM volunteers make such the biggest blunders. It reminds
> me of the academic world who are completely clueless to the real world.
>
> TMM volunteers typically have little real world experience and really
> shouldn't be making any recommendation as they typically spend all their
> time here instead of the real world actually doing real work. If
> volunteers were any good, they would actually have work and they wouldn't
> have any time to be answsering your questions here.
>
> TMM volunteers are typically here to promote themselves or the company
they
> work for via recommendations as that's how they get paid to begin with.
TMM
> volunteers have to eat just like you and me. Thus be very cautious on what
> they say you should do as it's typically used to further whatever company
or
> product they are financially connected with. They just don't tell you and
> want you to think they are giving you a free lunch. So, remember there is
no
> free lunch here or anywhere else no matter what volunteer a.k.a. sales
> person who tells you otherwise.
>
> A good way to figure out if a person who responds to your question is
likely
> to be a sales person for some company is to do a Google author search and
> see how many times they post per day. It it's a lot, then you can be
almost
> sure there is something hidden in their recommendation technically to
> further the products or company they work for.
>
> But don't get me wrong, TMM volunteers can be helpful with some issues,
like
> known bugs, but other than that, do your own homework before taking anyone
> advice in a public forum. You really don't know who you are talking to
here.
>
> Welcome to the Real World
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
> news:cfgj78$8df$1@forums.macromedia.com...
This[color=darkred]
> tedious.
>
>

James Shook

2004-08-14, 12:14 pm

Anne wrote:

> TMM volunteers are typically here to promote themselves or the company they
> work for via recommendations as that's how they get paid to begin with.

Then why didn't Murray use this opportunity to push his book about DW
templates? If ever there were an opportunity for promoting that book,
this message thread is it. Yet he never even mentioned it.

Perhaps Murray shouldn't be a TMM. Every day he lets so many
opportunities for self-promotion slip through his fingers....

--
James M. Shook
http://www.jshook.com

Murray *TMM*

2004-08-14, 12:14 pm

So anne@quexditty.net, what is your point? Why do you come here insulting
people, including the forum leader, on your second ever post? Who are you
trying to help with your spew?

This forum is about being nice. I don't think your insults and inuendo
qualify for that.

--
Murray --- ICQ 71997575
Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver
(If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
==================
http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage!
http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources
http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources
http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes
==================

"Annex" <AnneNOSPAM@quexditty.net> wrote in message
news:cfkedb$mnj$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> Wow, sfegette!! In your defense, you only validate what was so
shortsighted
> about the volunteer's post to begin with.
>
>

sfegette

2004-08-14, 11:15 pm

::laughing loudly::
Eh, Anne's just a troll, folks. Move along, let the road crew clean up,
nothing to see here... ;-)

She's offered no real tangible assistance to anyone, and her postings are only
proving definitively who the real 'clueless entity' in this thread is. We've
extended the offer to work through the original poster's problem here in
public, she has not. She's provided no qualifications for her assumptions
(i.e. references), but continually questions those of us in this thread who've
already established ours. She's posting under cover of a pseudonym, we're
posting with our real names and affiliations. She's just trying to start an
argument, we're just trying to help someone in need (while ignoring her
flame-bait).

Who ya gonna trust?
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out... ;-)

Scott
Macromedia, Inc.

Annex

2004-08-15, 12:15 pm

what's a matter sfegette? Don't have a technical answer to a technical
question?

Oh, but you have to figure who someone is before believing them, right? OK,
why don't we also figure out how volunteers here can spend all day here and
get a free lunch then?

How do people who spend all their time here get paid? You say you are
working for macromedia, and then if so, don't you also get paid, but these
volunteers don't? how is that?

So, what's a matter sfegette can't admit your are totally wrong and get
flamed to the max? The reason the only job you can get is one that sits
around monitoring forums is because you don't have the character to admit
your are completely wrong and that's why you fail in real world jobs because
you keep making the same mistakes that you are not willing to admit...it's
just like substance or drug abuse.

it's ok to admit that you make mistakes, sfegette, ok?

"sfegette" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:cfln3v$m9g$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> ::laughing loudly::
> Eh, Anne's just a troll, folks. Move along, let the road crew clean up,
> nothing to see here... ;-)
>
> She's offered no real tangible assistance to anyone, and her postings are
only
> proving definitively who the real 'clueless entity' in this thread is.
We've
> extended the offer to work through the original poster's problem here in
> public, she has not. She's provided no qualifications for her
assumptions
> (i.e. references), but continually questions those of us in this thread
who've
> already established ours. She's posting under cover of a pseudonym,
we're
> posting with our real names and affiliations. She's just trying to start
an
> argument, we're just trying to help someone in need (while ignoring her
> flame-bait).
>
> Who ya gonna trust?
> Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out... ;-)
>
> Scott
> Macromedia, Inc.
>

Annex

2004-08-15, 12:15 pm

"sfegette" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:cfjivr$63i$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> Wow, Anne (if that is indeed your real name)-
> Not only is your post largely misinformed, but I'd also question exactly
what
> your qualifications are for calling to task someone with thousands of
posts to
> his name in this forum alone,

a thousand posts? wow!!!

The last time I checked, a thousand posts are not the same as a thousand
websites.

anne

when you have exactly one (i.e. the one I'm
> responding to) and it's not even remotely helpful? Please refrain from
such
> ad-hominem attacks in the future, and simply move on elsewhere if you
don't
> have a constructive point to add. You've done nothing here except take
this
> thread entirely off-topic. Thanks in advance.
>
> But you're absolutely correct on one point, Anne- researching posters'
history
> here is a great way to know what expertise they have to offer. I welcome
> anyone reading to check Murray's thousand-plus-post record in detail,
alongside
> Anne's single post (also in this thread) and draw their own conclusions.
>
> First, Team Macromedia is made up of unpaid volunteers - they are not
> employed by Macromedia - selected based on the quality of their advice,
stature
> in their product community, expertise and experience. Now, if Murray was
> really just looking to generate business from his postings in this thread,
> you'd think he'd have plugged his own book on Dreamweaver templates (yet
> another credit to his experience on the subject)?
>
> Macromedia.com uses DW templates for many site sections that number well
over
> 100 pages. I in fact just pushed a large number of template-based DW
updates
> up to macromedia.com before answering this post. Sure, as Murray noted-
as
> templates are a *design-time* feature, they do require uploading any
affected
> child page after updates. But issues such as images and latency can be
worked
> around with a little forethought and planning- it's not rocket science by
any
> means. If you're editing the non-editable regions within a template, you
> should only have to upload images for the *global assets* once- not for
every
> page that subscribes to that template. But even were there a large volume
of
> image changes in a given template update, you could manage that scenario
by
> either:
>
> a) uploading the images first, then the html pages, so that there aren't
> broken image links presented to site visitors while the images transfer
(best
> with smaller sections where there's less risk)
> b) 'bumper' the site section during an update by placing a generic,
temporary
> 'site unavailable' index.html page in affected site sections, then push up
all
> your child file changes- with the 'real' index.html/index.php/index.cfm
files
> going up last, overwriting the 'bumper' page so that you then 'relaunch'
the
> updated section when the upload is complete in one fell swoop. (my
preference
> for larger site sections, makes things smoother for visitors overall, esp.
in
> very high-volume sites like mm.com)
>
> And yes, this is all coming directly from real-world experience. I do it
> *daily*.
>
> SSIs (server-side includes) are a GREAT way to help structure large sites
so
> you can update a single asset on the server that propagates itself
> 'automatically' into the pages that subscribe to it. Yes, it does require
some
> web server bandwidth. However, the MM web team did plenty of performance
> testing with SSIs during the last redesign, and found that their
performance
> impact on Apache was minimal - if not negligable. Hence they are used
> liberally throughout Macromedia.com, as well as other sites I've worked on
that
> generate far less traffic and load. ;)
> Disclaimer: I can't speak as definitively for IIS or other web servers,
as I
> don't generally use them (both by preference as well as necessity), for
what
> it's worth. I simply prefer developing with Apache on *NIX servers, which
is
> admittedly my own bias and not an indication of worth/value/etc.
otherwise. Do
> your own tests on other server platforms, draw your own conclusions.
>
> My general $.02: Murray's advice is on the mark (from my point of view),
and
> Anne is trolling for flames.
>
> twaite- should you have any specific questions as to how DW templates
could be
> used to structure and maintain your site, please ask them and I'm sure
either
> Murray or myself can give you real-world, hands-on advice you can use
right
> here, in this thread. I certainly won't deny I have formed my own
opinions on
> the subject based on my own experiences- but I only present them to you as
a
> reference point, so you can form your own opinions based on your own
website,
> server, challenges and needs. Welcome to the real world, indeed. ;-)
>
> -Scott
> Macromedia, Inc.
>

Annex

2004-08-15, 12:15 pm

Being nice?

After just reading several posts today, it seems like you "tire" of
answering the same questions over and over again. What's a matter? It seems
like you don't like your job as much or you are not getting compensated
enough? Why don't you ask your employer for a raise as lot of your posts
seems like you own this place and that users here should pay you for your
answers in the first place.

"Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
news:cfkvpb$66j$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> So anne@quexditty.net, what is your point? Why do you come here insulting
> people, including the forum leader, on your second ever post? Who are you
> trying to help with your spew?
>
> This forum is about being nice. I don't think your insults and inuendo
> qualify for that.
>
> --
> Murray --- ICQ 71997575
> Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver
> (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
> ==================
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> http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources
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> ==================
>
> "Annex" <AnneNOSPAM@quexditty.net> wrote in message
> news:cfkedb$mnj$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> shortsighted
>
>

Annex

2004-08-15, 12:15 pm

> Then why didn't Murray use this opportunity to push his book about DW
> templates? If ever there were an opportunity for promoting that book,
> this message thread is it. Yet he never even mentioned it.

Book, what book? This guy has a book?
after trying to find out what book that this volunteer has in the first
place, it's also interesting to see who was promoting this book. Perhaps
this will refresh your memory
http://tinyurl.com/3swoh

what's really stupid about this volunteer is that he is now disowning his
own book by falsely or stupidly saying include files are better than
templates. all this shows is that he says and writes one here and writes
another thing there. he can't make up his mind as well. it's no wonder why
all he can do is spend all day here.

It seems like the comments and the sales figures don't match
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cu...ref=cm_cr_dp_2_
1/104-8034962-1205504?%5Fencoding=UTF8&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER

It's really odd that a book like this has this type of rating but isn't
selling whatsoever.
After checking you have to special order it as well.

The Amazon reviews sure reminds me of the "so-called" selfless
recommendation here all the time. When the amazon reviews are really
polarized and with the earlier reviews being scathing and the later reviews
glowing, you can tell that there has been a good chance that those reviews
are suspect.

If the reviews were so good, 5 stars, why isn't this book even in the
bookstores? Most 5 star books are at least carried by the bookstores for
quite sometime especially if it's a reference type of book or very helpful
book like this is supposed to be.

"James Shook" <jshook@dont_mail.com> wrote in message
news:cfl0e0$5uj$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> Anne wrote:
>
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>
> Then why didn't Murray use this opportunity to push his book about DW
> templates? If ever there were an opportunity for promoting that book,
> this message thread is it. Yet he never even mentioned it.
>
> Perhaps Murray shouldn't be a TMM. Every day he lets so many
> opportunities for self-promotion slip through his fingers....
>
> --
> James M. Shook
> http://www.jshook.com

Annex

2004-08-15, 12:15 pm

> I'll race you any time you want.
>
> I stand by my advice. It is how I work, personally, and it is good
advice.

Do you actually do work? Seems like the only work you do is sit here all
day responding to posts.

"Murray *TMM*" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
news:cfi90d$mv9$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> Anne:
>
> I'll race you any time you want.
>
> I stand by my advice. It is how I work, personally, and it is good
advice.
>
>
> This is utter nonsense. I am a freelance developer in my own successful
> webdevelopment company. What's your background, dearie?
>
> they
>
> You are indeed the clueless one. Tell me who does this, please.
>
> --
> Murray --- ICQ 71997575
> Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver
> (If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
> ==================
> http://www.dreamweavermx-templates.com - Template Triage!
> http://www.projectseven.com/go - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources
> http://www.dwfaq.com - DW FAQs, Tutorials & Resources
> http://www.macromedia.com/support/search/ - Macromedia (MM) Technotes
> ==================
>
> "Anne" <AnneNOSPAM@quexditty.net> wrote in message
> news:cfi71a$l2n$1@forums.macromedia.com...
>
>

Annex

2004-08-15, 12:15 pm

Dear Bill,

When you get around to discussing the technical benefits of templates and
SSI, please start.

And when you get a clue that money doesn't grow on trees, you might realize
that no one can spend all day here for free like you think you can.

At least your communitymx.com is up front and let's people know they are
charging for their services. The fact that your web site charges for it's
articles should ring a LOUD BELL in your head that there is no free lunch.
The authors of CommunityMX.com think so and charge as such. However, you
have some cockamany idea that the TMM volunteers are some how selfless and
can give free support and answers while your own entity, communitymx.com
charges?

If I was an author of CommunityMX.com, I would not like a TMM volunteer who
supposedly gives away free support while I am busting my butt to write
articles for CommunityMX.com

Why should anyone get a subscription to CommunityMX.com when they can get
their questions answered here for supposedly "free"?

**What good is a referral or a recommendation when you can already get the
answer? **

You must be some stupid business person as you are a detriment to the
authors who write for communityMX.com.

Not only can people here in your community not even keep a MX Insite
magazine financially afloat, but they are so clueless that the very persons
who they think are helping them with referrals or recommendations are only
hurting them in the end as can be easily proven by the financial magazine
failures mentioned.

Get a clue and know that you need an even and fair playing field and those
that are offering "selfless" help are being paid under your very noses from
the very people and companies you so admire. Otherwise the authors and
writers of communitymx.com might as well get another job that can at least
put food on their table.

Remember, the writers of communitymx.com need to eat, OK? GOT IT?

anne

"Bill Horvath .:CMX:." <billhorvath@nospamcommunitymx.com> wrote in message
news:cfkhu2$qhm$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> Anne,
> Murray is the most helpful person you'll find in this forum. He has posted
> here for years, selflessly giving help to anyone needing it. He's done it
> unselfishly and without expecting anything in return. He runs a successful
> web design company and has more real world experience than most people who
> frequent this forum. Murray is the antithesis of the qualities you have
> projected onto him, and your post is extremely offensive to me and many
> others who know what kind of a guy Murray is.
>
> As for Scott, he is the Community Manager. He is supposed to "hang around
> here a lot". It's part of what Macromedia pays him to do. And server side
> includes are definitely the way to go. Murray's advice was right on the
> money, as usual.
>
> Being uninformed is not a badge of honor that you should flaunt.
>
>
> --
> Bill Horvath
>
> "Anne" <AnneNOSPAM@quexditty.net> wrote in message
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