Dreamweaver - Frame like site?

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Frame like site?

DrifterYamez

2004-06-10, 7:14 pm

First off I am a total newbie at dreamweaver, I took a class in high school,
and am fairly familar with the interface. My question is how would I make a
site that would be like frames. I know that frames are no longer used but how
would I achieve the desired results using a more modern technique. I ask
because I have made a navagation bar and want that to always remain and then
open up seperate pages below it. Any assistance would be grand.
Thanks

darrel

2004-06-10, 7:14 pm

> I know that frames are no longer used but how
> would I achieve the desired results using a more modern technique.

Frames are still good...just not the best option a lot of the time.

> I ask
> because I have made a navagation bar and want that to always remain and
then
> open up seperate pages below it.

Then you need to use frames.

But do you really need the navigation bar to do this? Consider some other
options...namely server side includes to include the same navigation on each
individual page.

-Darrel

Murray *TMM*

2004-06-10, 7:14 pm

That desired result is not easily achievable without using frames, and is
not (in my opinion) a worthy enough goal to cause one to use frames.

Just make flat pages that link to each other. It's easy, it's simple, and
it's trouble free.

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"DrifterYamez" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:caa2a7$4ls$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> First off I am a total newbie at dreamweaver, I took a class in high
school,
> and am fairly familar with the interface. My question is how would I make
a
> site that would be like frames. I know that frames are no longer used but
how
> would I achieve the desired results using a more modern technique. I ask
> because I have made a navagation bar and want that to always remain and
then
> open up seperate pages below it. Any assistance would be grand.
> Thanks
>

Joe Makowiec

2004-06-10, 7:14 pm

On Thu 10 Jun 2004 12:29:59p, DrifterYamez wrote in
macromedia.dreamweaver:

> First off I am a total newbie at dreamweaver, I took a class in high
> school, and am fairly familar with the interface. My question is how
> would I make a site that would be like frames. I know that frames are
> no longer used but how would I achieve the desired results using a
> more modern technique. I ask because I have made a navagation bar and
> want that to always remain and then open up seperate pages below it.

Frames aren't a great idea, particularly if you're inexperienced, but they
are still occasionally used. (But it's a bad habit to get into...)

The W3C uses such a system on their CSS pages:

http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/

Or for more pages and discussion:

http://www.google.com/search?q=css+fixed+navigation

seb

2004-06-10, 7:14 pm

why not use frames?
It could be the perfect solution for what you're trying to do.

Sites that reload the entire page each time you click on one of the menu
options, only to show the exact same menu on the next page, just seem
like a waste of bandwidth and loading time.
Having only the bottom frame reload is also visually more elegant.

Frames are 100% ligit and valid. There was a rumor saying that frames
are bad for search engines, but it's not true.
So, really, nothing wrong with frames.

darrel wrote:

>
>
> Frames are still good...just not the best option a lot of the time.
>
>
>
> then
>
>
>
> Then you need to use frames.
>
> But do you really need the navigation bar to do this? Consider some other
> options...namely server side includes to include the same navigation on each
> individual page.
>
> -Darrel
>
>

darrel

2004-06-10, 7:14 pm

> why not use frames?

There's lots of reasons.

> It could be the perfect solution for what you're trying to do.

Frames sometimes are the perfect solution. But not usually.

> Sites that reload the entire page each time you click on one of the menu
> options, only to show the exact same menu on the next page, just seem
> like a waste of bandwidth and loading time.

The bandwidth would be minimal, as would loading time.

You could consider these drawbacks, but they certainly don't outweight the
drawbacks often associated with frames.

> Frames are 100% ligit and valid.

Yep. Just not always appropriate from a usability standpoint.

> There was a rumor saying that frames
> are bad for search engines, but it's not true.

Frames, themselves, aren't a hurdle for search engines. But when they're
implemented poorly (as they often are) then they are a hurdle.

> So, really, nothing wrong with frames.

Plenty wrong with frames:

- akward for screen readers, PDAs, etc.
- often hard to bookmark
- require extra javascript to prevent loading orphan pages without
navigation
- can be difficult to print for some people
- can contribute to 'lazy' development where menus aren't contextually
highlighted

Again, that doesn't mean they should never be used...just that there are
times when they are good, and times when they are a hindrance.

-Darrel

Jerry McEwen

2004-06-10, 7:14 pm

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 16:29:59 +0000 (UTC), "DrifterYamez"
<webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote:

>First off I am a total newbie at dreamweaver, I took a class in high school,
>and am fairly familar with the interface. My question is how would I make a
>site that would be like frames. I know that frames are no longer used but how
>would I achieve the desired results using a more modern technique. I ask
>because I have made a navagation bar and want that to always remain and then
>open up seperate pages below it. Any assistance would be grand.
> Thanks

What frame-like feature are you having trouble acheiving?