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Author FYI: How To Let Your Menus Overlap Flash Movies
Aziz - TMM

2004-04-21, 2:53 pm

First, look here: www.bezworks.com/lab/opaque.htm

I see several people saying that they're Flash movie is overlapping their
dropdown menus or other related type instances. The normal response to this
cry has been basically "there is nothing you can do about it." Well, there
is. The way to do this is simple. Just do the following:

1. Open up Flash
2. Go to File > Publish Settings and click the HTML tab.
3. Under "Window Mode," select "Opaque Windowless."
4. Click "OK," create your movie as usual and then export it.
5. In Dreamweaver, insert your Flash movie into the page.
6. On the Property Inspector, click "Parameters."
7. Under "Parameter," type "wmode" (case doesn't matter)
8. Under "Value," type "opaque"
9. Click "OK."

That's it. Your Flash movie will not act and behave like regular HTML.

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James Shook

2004-04-21, 2:54 pm

Now let's see it with a Flash movie that has more than one frame.

--James M. Shook
http://www.jshook.com
James Shook

2004-04-21, 2:54 pm

Gary White wrote:

> The problem isn't with the number of frames.


In this case it is. The example seems to work on the Macintosh (where
wmode in fact does not work in *any* browser) because the Flash just
draws one frame and then goes dead. Since the Flash is not drawing to
the screen by the time the menu is displayed, it doesn't "step on" the
menu. If the Flash were to be still playing and so updating the screen
you might get a glimpse of the menu for one (Flash) frame before the
Flash wiped it out.

--James M. Shook
http://www.jshook.com
Aziz - TMM

2004-04-21, 2:54 pm

Gary, I think the market and audience would determine a lot though. Most
people don't worry about supporting Opera as far as I can tell. Only geeks
use it (web saavy folks; which I am one, but still don't use Opera), and who
cares about NN4? I don't. I can guarantee you that in the future EVERY
browser will support this method. So, it's best to start learning it now.
:-)

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"Gary White" <reply@newsgroup.please> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:11:53 -0400, James Shook <jshook@dont_mail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> The problem isn't with the number of frames. It relies on the wmode
> parameter, which is mentioned here just about every time someone asks
> about this. It does work in *some* browsers. Notable exceptions are NN4
> and all versions of Opera. I seem to recall that IE/Mac is also among
> that group too, but I don't have a Mac to test it on.
>
> The fact remains that there is no _reliable_cross_browser_ method of
> achieving a menu on top of Flash.
>
>
> Gary



Gary White

2004-04-21, 2:54 pm

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:11:53 -0400, James Shook <jshook@dont_mail.com>
wrote:

>Now let's see it with a Flash movie that has more than one frame.



The problem isn't with the number of frames. It relies on the wmode
parameter, which is mentioned here just about every time someone asks
about this. It does work in *some* browsers. Notable exceptions are NN4
and all versions of Opera. I seem to recall that IE/Mac is also among
that group too, but I don't have a Mac to test it on.

The fact remains that there is no _reliable_cross_browser_ method of
achieving a menu on top of Flash.


Gary
Aziz - TMM

2004-04-21, 2:54 pm

Take another look now my friend... ;-)

BTW, this isn't supported by NN4 or Opera.

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"James Shook" <jshook@dont_mail.com> wrote in message
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> Now let's see it with a Flash movie that has more than one frame.
>
> --James M. Shook
> http://www.jshook.com



James Shook

2004-04-21, 2:54 pm

Aziz - TMM wrote:

> Take another look now my friend... ;-)


No need, I made my own:
http://www.jshook.com/DW_Tests/flash_menu.html

Well I'll be hornswaggled. For years I believed what I've been told
about this.

--James M. Shook
http://www.jshook.com
Murray *TMM*

2004-04-21, 2:54 pm

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"Gary White" <reply@newsgroup.please> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:20:46 -0400, James Shook <jshook@dont_mail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Okay. Disregard my other post supporting James. THROW HIM TO THE SHARKS!
>
> ;-)
>
>
> Gary



Gary White

2004-04-21, 2:54 pm

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:04:00 -0400, "Aziz - TMM"
<NOSPAMaapb@bezworks.com> wrote:

>Gary, I think the market and audience would determine a lot though. Most
>people don't worry about supporting Opera as far as I can tell. Only geeks
>use it (web saavy folks; which I am one, but still don't use Opera), and who
>cares about NN4? I don't. I can guarantee you that in the future EVERY
>browser will support this method. So, it's best to start learning it now.
>:-)



Hi Aziz. I'm not saying that the method is flawed. I just think it would
be good to mention that it is not reliable for all browsers. As James
points out, it apparently doesn't work on any Mac if the Flash is
continuously running. Using wmode is a viable solution, but I think
people should know the limitations so they can make an informed
decision.


Gary
Gary White

2004-04-21, 2:54 pm

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:03:21 -0400, James Shook <jshook@dont_mail.com>
wrote:

>In this case it is. The example seems to work on the Macintosh (where
>wmode in fact does not work in *any* browser) because the Flash just
>draws one frame and then goes dead. Since the Flash is not drawing to
>the screen by the time the menu is displayed, it doesn't "step on" the
>menu. If the Flash were to be still playing and so updating the screen
>you might get a glimpse of the menu for one (Flash) frame before the
>Flash wiped it out.



Thanks for the clarification, James.


Gary
Gary White

2004-04-21, 2:54 pm

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 09:20:46 -0400, James Shook <jshook@dont_mail.com>
wrote:

>Well I'll be hornswaggled. For years I believed what I've been told
>about this.



Okay. Disregard my other post supporting James. THROW HIM TO THE SHARKS!

;-)


Gary
James Shook

2004-04-21, 2:54 pm

Gary White wrote:

> Thanks for the clarification, James.


> Gary


You're welcome. Except, of course, that I'm wrong.

--James M. Shook
http://www.jshook.com
Gary White

2004-04-21, 2:54 pm

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:19:59 -0400, James Shook <jshook@dont_mail.com>
wrote:

>You're welcome. Except, of course, that I'm wrong.



That has nothing to do with the clarity of your (incorrect) answer. ;-)


Gary
Gary White

2004-04-21, 2:55 pm

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 10:33:43 -0400, "Murray *TMM*"
<forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote:

>The King is dead. Long live the King!



Hmmm... where's the Queen? :-)


Gary
James Shook

2004-04-21, 2:55 pm

Update:

I think the reason that I though this didn't work on the Mac is because
in fact it doesn't in OS 9.x.

IE5: no menu is ever seen
NN4: no menu is ever seen
NN6/NN7/Mozilla: the menu appears, but as the red dot (in my example)
impinges on it, a portion of the menu is eaten away by the rectangle
which encloses the dot. After this runs a while there is a jagged X
shape through the menu

So it really doesn't work on the Mac in OS 9. This must be why I thought
it didn't work on the Mac period. I'd long since given up on it before
OS X came along.

--James M. Shook
http://www.jshook.com
Juan Zamudio

2004-04-21, 3:04 pm

Aziz - TMM wrote:
> First, look here: www.bezworks.com/lab/opaque.htm
>
> I see several people saying that they're Flash movie is overlapping their
> dropdown menus or other related type instances. The normal response to this
> cry has been basically "there is nothing you can do about it." Well, there
> is. The way to do this is simple. Just do the following:
>
> 1. Open up Flash
> 2. Go to File > Publish Settings and click the HTML tab.
> 3. Under "Window Mode," select "Opaque Windowless."
> 4. Click "OK," create your movie as usual and then export it.
> 5. In Dreamweaver, insert your Flash movie into the page.
> 6. On the Property Inspector, click "Parameters."
> 7. Under "Parameter," type "wmode" (case doesn't matter)
> 8. Under "Value," type "opaque"
> 9. Click "OK."
>
> That's it. Your Flash movie will not act and behave like regular HTML.
>
> Brought toyou by your friendly Dreamweaver TMM's.


Is that the same as this
http://www.macromedia.com/support/f...ments/wmode.htm

I mean the user also needs the Flash Player version 6,0,65,0 (Windows)
or 6,0,67,0 (Macintosh).


Macromedia says that more than 95% porcent of the users have flash, but
i dont know how many people is using 6.0.65 or above.

Juan Zamudio
Aziz - TMM

2004-04-21, 3:06 pm

Nope. That's not the same. Transparent windowless removes the background
from the Flash movie. For example, look at this page in Internet Explorer 6
and then look at it in Opera. In IE, I have the background as transparent
and it allows the background of the TD to show through it, in Opera, this
doesn't work and the background color of the stage of the Flash movie is
what you see:

www.calvinnapper.com

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