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| NewtSS 2004-03-30, 8:59 pm |
| I'm a beginner web designer. This isn't actually my professtion, but I got
roped into it because nobody around here knows anything about web designing.
Hopefully this will be a clear and easy enough question for someone to answer
for me.
Here goes. I stumbled onto a way to insert frames (top and nested left
frames) onto the company website I'm creating. I use the company logo on the
top and several other links on the left. If I do it this way it will only
scroll the main content/verbage of the page and not the frames. The only thing
is, now it wants to save framesets instead of the defaultmainpage.html which
would be fine if I could use those same frames for the other pages as well. Is
it possible to use the frameset1.htm and frameset2.htm on the other pages that
link to the defaultmainpage.html?
I really hope this is clear enough for others to understand my question.
Thanks,
NewtSS
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| Murray *TMM* 2004-03-30, 8:59 pm |
| Newt:
Most people who use frames do so because they stumble into them the same way
you have. They then discover all the bad things about frames the hard way -
after they have built the site. I would caution you to learn about frames
before committing to them.
The reason for using or not using frames should be based on a) your site's
needs, and b) your willingness to accept the potential problems that frames
can create for you as developer and maintainer of the site and for your
visitors as casual users of the site.
I am down on frames because I believe that they create many more problems
than they solve.
Judging from the posts here, and the kinds of problems that are described,
tha kind of person most likely to elect to use frames is also the kind of
person most likely ill-prepared fo solve the ensuing problems when they
arise. If you feel a) that you understand the problems and b) that you are
prepared to handle them when they occur, and c) that you have a need to use
frames, then by all means use them.
As far as I know, the most comprehensive discussions of frames and their
potential problems can be found on these two links -
http://apptools.com/rants/framesevil.php
http://www.tjkdesign.com/resources/frames/
You may also find the frames techjote at the MM Technote link in my sig to
be helpful.
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"NewtSS" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:c4cmmo$pee$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> I'm a beginner web designer. This isn't actually my professtion, but I
got
> roped into it because nobody around here knows anything about web
designing.
> Hopefully this will be a clear and easy enough question for someone to
answer
> for me.
>
> Here goes. I stumbled onto a way to insert frames (top and nested left
> frames) onto the company website I'm creating. I use the company logo on
the
> top and several other links on the left. If I do it this way it will only
> scroll the main content/verbage of the page and not the frames. The only
thing
> is, now it wants to save framesets instead of the defaultmainpage.html
which
> would be fine if I could use those same frames for the other pages as
well. Is
> it possible to use the frameset1.htm and frameset2.htm on the other pages
that
> link to the defaultmainpage.html?
>
> I really hope this is clear enough for others to understand my question.
>
> Thanks,
> NewtSS
>
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| darrel 2004-03-30, 9:00 pm |
| That was a very good response, Murray. Well put and very non-partisan!
-Darrel
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| NewtSS 2004-03-31, 11:30 am |
| Like I said before, I'm new to Dreamweaver. Heck, I'm even new to web design.
In my humble attempt to try to produce a website for the company, I stumbled
across them. I've noticed that several websites, that I've visited, use these
frames. I just thought it would be a good idea, but if they're that hard to
mess with, then I'll leave 'em alone. Thanks for the warning. Wish one of
you were here to do this, 8)
Thanks,
NewtSS
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| Murray *TMM* 2004-03-31, 11:30 am |
| Most people who are in your position choose frames for one of the following
reasons -
1. They allow your navigation to always be present on the screen.
2. They solve what could be a nasty site maintenance problem (if the
navigation is a new instance on every page, a renamed or relinked file could
get troublesome).
There is no easy solution to #1 using a flat page, however, if you exercise
some control over your page's content, a slight vertical scroll is not so
bad (some experts even allow for 4 vertical scrolls - which seems too much
like a roll of toilet paper to me).
There are great solutions to #2, but each would require some learning and
experimentation on your part - Library items, Templates, and Server-side
includes. Read about each method in the F1 Help in DW, or in a good book,
and choose based on your need and those of your site plans.
You will find this forum a valuable resource as you wind your way through
the learning process....
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Murray --- ICQ 71997575
Team Macromedia Volunteer for Dreamweaver MX
(If you *MUST* email me, don't LAUGH when you do so!)
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"NewtSS" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:c4ek5o$bkb$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> Like I said before, I'm new to Dreamweaver. Heck, I'm even new to web
design.
> In my humble attempt to try to produce a website for the company, I
stumbled
> across them. I've noticed that several websites, that I've visited, use
these
> frames. I just thought it would be a good idea, but if they're that hard
to
> mess with, then I'll leave 'em alone. Thanks for the warning. Wish one
of
> you were here to do this, 8)
>
> Thanks,
> NewtSS
>
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