Dreamweaver - DWMX 2004 Updated to 7.0.1

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DWMX 2004 Updated to 7.0.1 - still problems?

buckyball

2004-03-13, 10:28 pm

I've been holding off on getting DWMX 2004 because of a couple of problems. I
loaded the original trial and never could get the toolbars to stay stable -
their positions changed everytime I opened pages. That falls into the mildly
annoying category, a pain, but not a deal breaker.

The big one was (and is) the improper rendering of tables. I have CF pages
that load and render properly in Design mode in DWMX. In DWMX 2004, these
tables don't even appear at all - text and form fields are scattered all over
the place, as if the tables were not there.

The updater did not resolve this. The pages still appear as a jumble of
text and fields. Too bad, as I was impressed enough with some of the other
features to want to move to MX 2004. However, until MX 2004 renders tables
properly in Design mode, I simply can't justify the move. Why would they
render in MX and not MX2004?

Is anyone else having problems with tables not rendering in DWMX 7.0.1 in
Design mode? Or am I the only one?

Murray *TMM*

2004-03-14, 10:28 am

I think you are the only one. Can you show me the code on one of these
pages?

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"buckyball" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:c30deh$l0u$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> I've been holding off on getting DWMX 2004 because of a couple of
problems. I
> loaded the original trial and never could get the toolbars to stay
stable -
> their positions changed everytime I opened pages. That falls into the
mildly
> annoying category, a pain, but not a deal breaker.
>
> The big one was (and is) the improper rendering of tables. I have CF
pages
> that load and render properly in Design mode in DWMX. In DWMX 2004, these
> tables don't even appear at all - text and form fields are scattered all
over
> the place, as if the tables were not there.
>
> The updater did not resolve this. The pages still appear as a jumble
of
> text and fields. Too bad, as I was impressed enough with some of the
other
> features to want to move to MX 2004. However, until MX 2004 renders
tables
> properly in Design mode, I simply can't justify the move. Why would they
> render in MX and not MX2004?
>
> Is anyone else having problems with tables not rendering in DWMX 7.0.1 in
> Design mode? Or am I the only one?
>

Al Sparber- PVII

2004-03-14, 2:28 pm

Murray *TMM* wrote:
> I think you are the only one. Can you show me the code on one of
> these pages?

I know that tables with lots of asp code and forms do not render very
well in MX 2004 - 7.0 or 7.0.1 - but I kind of expect that given all the
extra code involved and live quite well the distortions - which are
exacerbated in CSS-P layouts that contain tables that contain forms and
server-side code.

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buckyball

2004-03-14, 11:28 pm

Murray - I emailed the code to you offline as the forums wouldn't let me upload
so much code.

Al - So this happens with ASP code as well as Coldfuision code? Odd that my
CF code would render properly in DWMX 6 and not in DWMX 2004. Does that same
ASP code render ok in DWMX 6? It seems there is a regression and loss of
functionality rather than an improvement.

If it renders fine Design view in DW 6, then why not in DW 7? That is the
question.... and I wonder if there is an answer.

Al Sparber- PVII

2004-03-15, 12:28 am

buckyball wrote:
> Murray - I emailed the code to you offline as the forums wouldn't let
> me upload so much code.
>
> Al - So this happens with ASP code as well as Coldfuision code?
> Odd that my CF code would render properly in DWMX 6 and not in DWMX
> 2004. Does that same ASP code render ok in DWMX 6?

Yes - with invisible elements hidden. However, I can only estimate
because the example I'm using is a CSS-P floated layout so other parts
don't do too well in MX6 ;-)

It seems there is
> a regression and loss of functionality rather than an improvement.
>
> If it renders fine Design view in DW 6, then why not in DW 7? That
> is the question.... and I wonder if there is an answer.

Obviously, anything between CF tags or ASP markers is not rendered by
the browser, but it does take up space in Dreamweaver. However, I make
it a point never to rely on Dreamweaver's Design View - because it's
really not a browser that any of my visitors use :-)

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Kevin Marshall

2004-03-15, 12:30 pm

I have one particular page that renders fine in MX but fails miserably in
2004, its caused by having dynamic areas containing HTML code, MX interprets
all the HTML and the layout is screwed up, however at runtime only valid
HTML is rendered, you are not alone in having this problem, possibly the
changes made to 2004 to facilitate better CSS rendering have introduced this
new problem.

I feel its an acceptable situation though, if the application forced you to
build 100% valid HTML in the designer it would result in not being able to
use this kind of dynamic content at all which would be a real problem, when
I run into little problems like this I fall back to my trusty copy of
HomeSite.

:)

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WebXeL.com Ltd
http://www.webxel.com

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http://www.webxel-dw.co.uk

"buckyball" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
news:c33640$j0m$1@forums.macromedia.com...
> Murray - I emailed the code to you offline as the forums wouldn't let me
upload
> so much code.
>
> Al - So this happens with ASP code as well as Coldfuision code? Odd
that my
> CF code would render properly in DWMX 6 and not in DWMX 2004. Does that
same
> ASP code render ok in DWMX 6? It seems there is a regression and loss of
> functionality rather than an improvement.
>
> If it renders fine Design view in DW 6, then why not in DW 7? That is
the
> question.... and I wonder if there is an answer.
>
>

buckyball

2004-03-15, 8:29 pm

Kevin -

I was wondering if the CSS changes were the cause. *Most* of my sites and
pages render just fine. This particular form pulls in some table rows that are
different, depending on what's flagged in the database. They're just table
rows, though, nothing fancy. But it must be pulling in both sets of rows, and
that seems to be thowing things off.

I agree about the HTML issue. I still haven't made the transition to fully
coding in DWMX - generally do the rough layout and then finish coding and
tweaking in Homesite +.

Anyway, it looks like this is as close to an answer as I'll get, so......time
to put the thread to bed.

Thanks to all for time and replies.

Steve Scott

2004-03-18, 1:28 am

"buckyball" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message news:<c35hp9$4or$1@forums.macromedia.com>...
> Kevin -
>
> I was wondering if the CSS changes were the cause. *Most* of my sites and
> pages render just fine. This particular form pulls in some table rows that are
> different, depending on what's flagged in the database. They're just table
> rows, though, nothing fancy. But it must be pulling in both sets of rows, and
> that seems to be thowing things off.
>
> I agree about the HTML issue. I still haven't made the transition to fully
> coding in DWMX - generally do the rough layout and then finish coding and
> tweaking in Homesite +.
>
> Anyway, it looks like this is as close to an answer as I'll get, so......time
> to put the thread to bed.
>
> Thanks to all for time and replies.

Hi all,

Having installed the updater, I found that some page layouts at work
were producing appalling displays in the Design view.

Having examined the code, I found that some <form> tags nested outside
table cells (to throttle the code from producing a linebreak after the
closing form tag) were causing the problem. When I adjusted the form
tag to it's rightful place, the page displayed fine.

An excuse to use CSS perhaps? Maybe.

Other pages at my workplace use not only nested form tags, but DHTML
layers, which for some reason, have a width set to 100%. This also
makes the rendering engine go nuts, and display cells in distant
corners of the Design view, meaning much scrolling about. Our
workaround is to use Code View, save often, and Preview in browser
often.

BTW, the updater makes things an awful lot better in responsiveness,
site caching, and general stability. Thanks MM!

Regards

Steve Scott, Webmaster, eCosway.com Sdn Bhd, Kuala Lumpur