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How to get "Effects" to do something....
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| Marie_Maier@adobeforums.com 2006-12-06, 8:16 pm |
| I give up. Any object/shape is supposed to be altered in appearance by using the "Effect" menu and "artistic" -the one I'd like to use most. Well, for me it's always grayed out. I must revert back to PS to add textures if I want them. I've tried following
the steps in using appearance attributes to little avail. Some "add stroke" and outer glow can be applied, but any other surfaces changes are not possible.
What am I missing in AI 10? Thank you!
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| Scott_Falkner@adobeforums.com 2006-12-06, 8:16 pm |
| You're in a CMYK document. Those effects have been written to only work in RGB mode.
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| Marie_Maier@adobeforums.com 2006-12-06, 8:16 pm |
| Ok. I'll give that a check..........but don't printers want hues in CYMK rather than RGB?
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| Harron_K._Appleman@adobeforums.com 2006-12-06, 8:16 pm |
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...but don't printers want hues in CYMK rather than RGB?
Printers don't care how you go about selecting your hues, but your document should be CMYK if it's destined for the printing press. That means effects designed for use in RGB mode will not be available.
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| Marie_Maier@adobeforums.com 2006-12-06, 8:16 pm |
| But, that doesn't seem to check out----I can put all kinds of textural effects in PS in the shapes, put it back in AI, and printing is fine. Which leads me to ask, why are all those surface possibilites even offered in AI if they can't be applied in that
document? Somethin' just ain't right here!
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| Marie_Maier@adobeforums.com 2006-12-06, 8:16 pm |
| ....and adding a 2nd thought: Classroom in a Book DOES show examples where surface changes were made using the Appearance palette, but I'm danged if I can do it!......
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| Teri Pettit 2006-12-06, 8:16 pm |
| Marie,
If you create a CMYK document in Photoshop, the Texture effects will act exactly the same way, that is, they will appear on the Effects menu, but the effect name will be grayed out and they cannot be applied. It's just that it is much less common to creat
e CMYK documents in Photoshop, so you tend not to notice.
Illustrator is merely providing an adapter level that makes it appear like Photoshop to a Photoshop plugin. Those are real honest-to-goodness Photoshop plugins. They do whatever they normally do, Illustrator doesn't control them. And they are deciding to
disable themselves in a CMYK document.
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| Bert Philippus 2006-12-06, 8:16 pm |
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Which leads me to ask, why are all those surface possibilites [sp] even
offered in AI if they can't be applied in that document? Somethin' just
ain't right here!
Your document color mode is what ain't right, Marie. The effects you mentioned can only be applied in RGB in Illustrator. That's just the way it is. It would be too much to ask to have the whole effect menu disappear and reappear each time you open a CMYK
or RGB doc respectively, so they're grayed out instead. No big deal.
The way around this, is to start a temporary RGB document, bring your object into it, and apply the desired effect there. Once you're done applying the effect, expand it, and bring the object back into the original CMYK document. You'll see some color shi
fting because the color spaces don't overlap completely.
Bert
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| Marie_Maier@adobeforums.com 2006-12-06, 8:16 pm |
| Teri, the CIAB lesson was specifically for Illustrator 10. I finally decided to study more and am completely frustrated in not being able to create the similar shapes and get a similar result. No way.
Bert, I created shapes with specific RGB color ( just like CIAB) and still can't get the texture. My document color mode WAS RGB, and still everything was grayed out. And you're right, it looks like I'll just have to continue what I was previously doing--
PS first, and move it into AI. (still makes me mad that all those surface possibilities (correct this time) lay idle......
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| Bert Philippus 2006-12-06, 8:16 pm |
| Marie:
Was your color mode RGB, or did you set the color picker for RGB in a CMYK document?
Bert
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| Teri Pettit 2006-12-06, 8:16 pm |
| If it was really an RGB document, then maybe this is a case of delete your AIPrefs time.
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| Marie_Maier@adobeforums.com 2006-12-06, 8:16 pm |
| Oh my goodness!! L--o--v--e that shirt dear Bert!! You guys are just f-a-b-u-l-o-s-a!! Yep, I ditched the prefs, opened a new doc, pasted the rgb-textured glob test from yesterday into it, opened Effect>Artistic, and LO and BEHOLD----a wonderful list of a
pplicable goodies were there in readable tone!!!
Now, the only thing I'm worried about, and hopefully you will assure me this should not be a concern, is that our printer--or any printer will find a document drawn in this manner is satisfactory. Ours likes .psd images, not .pdf's, and anything done in A
I so far has been acceptable.
One more question: Just what is the reason that that a document can be set up as "RGB color" in Illustrator (10)? Until this was mentioned here and I discovered just what was being said, I had never paid attention to the choice when opening a new document
. Is it only to be able to achieve surface varieties? Please enlighten...........
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| Jacob_Bugge@adobeforums.com 2006-12-06, 8:16 pm |
| Marie,
The two colour modes allow you the choice between creating a) print safe colours or b) a wider colour gamut for web and the like. You can cross over by changing underway, but then most colours will change, some significantly; in some cases you may readjus
t colours.
Using RGB for print may give messy and/or disappointing results. Using CMYK for web may give duller results.
Having missed out on this thread until now.
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