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| I was reassigned out of the US for the last 3 1/2 years. I was using PD V2
in Europe and elsewhere before my return. Now it has been lost in the move
back and I'm wondering (since it is old now by Internet standards) if
someone else has released something better? I am still vaguely familiar with
PSP, PhotoImpact and, of course, PhotoShop. I bought FP 2003 two weeks ago
and am getting up to speed with it again but I do miss PD.
I found a copy of V2 on eBay. Thanks very much for any suggestions.
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| Andre Da Costa [Extended64] 2005-06-10, 7:22 pm |
| Thought about giving Microsofts new Acrylic BETA vector illustration and
graphics program a try? I see this as Microsofts way of saying I'm sorry for
discontinuing PhotoDraw.
http://profile.microsoft.com/RegSys...6c795&lcid=1033
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Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre
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"Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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>I was reassigned out of the US for the last 3 1/2 years. I was using PD V2
>in Europe and elsewhere before my return. Now it has been lost in the move
>back and I'm wondering (since it is old now by Internet standards) if
>someone else has released something better? I am still vaguely familiar
>with PSP, PhotoImpact and, of course, PhotoShop. I bought FP 2003 two weeks
>ago and am getting up to speed with it again but I do miss PD.
>
> I found a copy of V2 on eBay. Thanks very much for any suggestions.
>
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| Walterius 2005-06-10, 11:15 pm |
| Also be sure and check out Real-Draw Pro. It is much like PD2, and in some
ways much more powerful. Its metals, lights, and textures are the best I
have ever seen. It's inexpensive, too (about $55). www.mediachance.com Many
of us in the Image Composer and PhotoDraw newsgroups have switched to, or
also use, Real-Draw Pro. (See the weekly themes, hosted in both groups by
Rich Osborne.)
Btw, PhotoDraw still works fine, including on Windows 2000/XP. No need to
trash it.
"Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks Andre. I'll give it a try.
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" <andred25@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:etZqV9ebFHA.3620@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
http://profile.microsoft.com/RegSys...6c795&lcid=1033[color=darkred]
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| I did download and try out Acrylic yesterday. I think Acrylic is aimed at
artists who like to draw and paint. That's not me.
I am looking for something more for the Web. When I left, PhotoShop was too
complicated, expensive and cumbersome for what I wanted. PD, even though
never updated, was about right.
FrontPage 2003 is a very nice upgrade to 2000 which is what I was using
before I left. Is there anything that works better in conjunction with FP
than PD? Possibly Fireworks, PaintShop Pro or PhotoImpact? Something else?
I am going to download Real-Draw Pro today and experiment as Walterius
suggested.
By the way my major complaint with PD V2 was the text it inserted on banners
that I imported into FP. I thought is was too thick and didn't really match
the text that FP inserted on banners which was thinner. I never did
understand why that was so. Thanks for the suggestions everyone.
"Walterius" <nohow@noway.not> wrote in message
news:Ol7r8iibFHA.3404@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Also be sure and check out Real-Draw Pro. It is much like PD2, and in some
> ways much more powerful. Its metals, lights, and textures are the best I
> have ever seen. It's inexpensive, too (about $55). www.mediachance.com
> Many
> of us in the Image Composer and PhotoDraw newsgroups have switched to, or
> also use, Real-Draw Pro. (See the weekly themes, hosted in both groups by
> Rich Osborne.)
>
> Btw, PhotoDraw still works fine, including on Windows 2000/XP. No need to
> trash it.
>
> "Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
> news:un351DhbFHA.3492@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> http://profile.microsoft.com/RegSys...6c795&lcid=1033
> V2
> move
>
>
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| Bill Somogyi 2005-06-19, 7:17 pm |
| Depending on your needs there is a great unknown Program Called PhotoFiltre
and it's big brother PhotoFiltre Studio.
PhotoFiltre is Free and PhotoFiltre Studio is $32. The main difference
between the 2 versions is the Studio Version
Has Layers (The Layers Process is real simple and easy to pick up), Accepts
Photoshop Plug-ins and can export animated gif's.
Don't get me wrong this program is not Photoshop but then the price isn't
either. It's a great program for folks that want to create some banners or
buttons for their website or have fun with digital photos. This programs
has quite a few great features a couple that the big boys could use. The
free version while not able to accept Photoshop 8bf plug-ins does have it's
own plug-in language and there are already 23 plug-ins available for it.
All free.
Some Features:
1) Simple and easy interface the feature that made PhotoDraw so popular.
2) Over a 100 built-in Filters like Sketch / Noise / Watercolor etc.
3) A great tool called Fade Effect. Whatever you do to the image whether a
color adjustment / gamma setting or one of the filters like Sketch can be
faded.
4) Vectorial Selections (shapes / drawing or magic wand) so you can apply
an effect to a selection of the image.
5) A built in module called Photomask. The possibilities are endless with
this tool. From creating snow and rain to an advanced sphere. Some of the
more easier things you can do with this is create endles style Frames and or
Photographic edges for your images. Use gradients as image fades. Besides
what you can create which I say is endless you can use all the free masks
you find on the web including the edges included with PhotoDraw. Just
convert them to Black and white jpg's.
6) Batch module for resizing a folder of images or adding corrections and
simple effects.
7) A great feature called assemblage of images. I'll let you see how this
works on your own.
8) It is a very fast and light program.
The program originates from France. There is an English Version but
presently I think I have the only English speaking resources for it. Most
of the documentation is in French or Check.
If you would like to take a look at some examples The link below will take
you to 15 Tutorials I have up for the Free version:
http://www.frontpagesolutions.com/p...e/tutorials.htm
This Page has Tutorials for The Studio Version. I just started this section
the Studio version is only 2 months old.
http://www.frontpagesolutions.com/p...tre/s/index.htm
You can find the download links on the links page. I highly reccomend the
Studio Version. I realize the free version is tempting and will meet most
needs but the way Layers work in this program is increbible. It is almost
like working with objects or sprites.
--
Have Fun Bill
RealDraw Cafe
http://realdrawcafe.com
"Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:OGYUwi0bFHA.1152@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>I did download and try out Acrylic yesterday. I think Acrylic is aimed at
>artists who like to draw and paint. That's not me.
>
> I am looking for something more for the Web. When I left, PhotoShop was
> too complicated, expensive and cumbersome for what I wanted. PD, even
> though never updated, was about right.
>
> FrontPage 2003 is a very nice upgrade to 2000 which is what I was using
> before I left. Is there anything that works better in conjunction with FP
> than PD? Possibly Fireworks, PaintShop Pro or PhotoImpact? Something else?
>
> I am going to download Real-Draw Pro today and experiment as Walterius
> suggested.
>
> By the way my major complaint with PD V2 was the text it inserted on
> banners that I imported into FP. I thought is was too thick and didn't
> really match the text that FP inserted on banners which was thinner. I
> never did understand why that was so. Thanks for the suggestions everyone.
>
>
> "Walterius" <nohow@noway.not> wrote in message
> news:Ol7r8iibFHA.3404@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>
>
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| Walterius 2005-06-19, 11:15 pm |
| Great to hear from you, Bill. I wondered if you were still around.
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|
| I downloaded PhotoFiltre Studio and RealDraw Pro and have been playing with
both. PhotoFiltre seems to be the easiest for me to use but both are good. I
am looking for something I can use with FrontPage 2003 to create banners,
rollover buttons and to do other fairly simple graphic editing.
I asked in my original post if something better than PD V2 had been
released. I am an amateur at this and wonder if you could compare the
strengths and weaknesses of PhotoFiltre Studio, RealDraw Pro and PhotoDraw
V2. Thank you.
"Bill Somogyi" <removethisbill@phillysnet.com> wrote in message
news:uTB69jOdFHA.220@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Depending on your needs there is a great unknown Program Called
> PhotoFiltre and it's big brother PhotoFiltre Studio.
>
> PhotoFiltre is Free and PhotoFiltre Studio is $32. The main difference
> between the 2 versions is the Studio Version
> Has Layers (The Layers Process is real simple and easy to pick up),
> Accepts Photoshop Plug-ins and can export animated gif's.
>
> Don't get me wrong this program is not Photoshop but then the price isn't
> either. It's a great program for folks that want to create some banners
> or buttons for their website or have fun with digital photos. This
> programs has quite a few great features a couple that the big boys could
> use. The free version while not able to accept Photoshop 8bf plug-ins
> does have it's own plug-in language and there are already 23 plug-ins
> available for it. All free.
>
> Some Features:
>
> 1) Simple and easy interface the feature that made PhotoDraw so popular.
> 2) Over a 100 built-in Filters like Sketch / Noise / Watercolor etc.
> 3) A great tool called Fade Effect. Whatever you do to the image whether
> a color adjustment / gamma setting or one of the filters like Sketch can
> be faded.
> 4) Vectorial Selections (shapes / drawing or magic wand) so you can apply
> an effect to a selection of the image.
> 5) A built in module called Photomask. The possibilities are endless
> with this tool. From creating snow and rain to an advanced sphere. Some
> of the more easier things you can do with this is create endles style
> Frames and or Photographic edges for your images. Use gradients as image
> fades. Besides what you can create which I say is endless you can use all
> the free masks you find on the web including the edges included with
> PhotoDraw. Just convert them to Black and white jpg's.
> 6) Batch module for resizing a folder of images or adding corrections and
> simple effects.
> 7) A great feature called assemblage of images. I'll let you see how
> this works on your own.
> 8) It is a very fast and light program.
>
> The program originates from France. There is an English Version but
> presently I think I have the only English speaking resources for it. Most
> of the documentation is in French or Check.
>
> If you would like to take a look at some examples The link below will take
> you to 15 Tutorials I have up for the Free version:
> http://www.frontpagesolutions.com/p...e/tutorials.htm
>
> This Page has Tutorials for The Studio Version. I just started this
> section the Studio version is only 2 months old.
> http://www.frontpagesolutions.com/p...tre/s/index.htm
>
> You can find the download links on the links page. I highly reccomend the
> Studio Version. I realize the free version is tempting and will meet most
> needs but the way Layers work in this program is increbible. It is almost
> like working with objects or sprites.
>
> --
> Have Fun Bill
>
> RealDraw Cafe
> http://realdrawcafe.com
>
>
>
>
>
> "Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
> news:OGYUwi0bFHA.1152@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
>
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| Walterius 2005-06-21, 11:14 pm |
| All of this is strictly my opinion. Bill Somogyi and I have been disagreeing
for years. :)
RealDraw is extremely strong on metals, spheres, and flashy, easy images. I
find it to be much like PhotoDraw. I like it and know it fairly well, but
only occasionally use it. I don't need that many spheres and metals, and
PhotoDraw has a handy whole CD full of clipart.
PhotoDraw is the strongest of the three (IMO) because it also creates
flashy, easy images, has a ton of clipart, and has another ton of content
(templates, etc.). It also can actually draw (Edit Points, etc. And I have
actually done decent, simple drawings in it.) It's only fair as an image
editor.
PhotoFiltre is relatively new and is French in origin. Personally, I have it
but very rarely use it, because I don't find it intuitive, and anything it
can do, Photoshop can do better. I downloaded PhotoFiltre Studio, but again,
Photoshop (which I have used for years) is better.
If you just want to do buttons and banners, PhotoDraw is capable, but you
could also (and more easily) do them in FrontPage 2003. There are also
easy-to-use freeware programs for buttons and banners. Try www.nonags.com .
If you want a general purpose image tool, you could do a lot worse than
Paint Shop Pro (PSP). The latest (Version 9) is about $105, but you can get
perfectly good older versions for as little as $10. I use PSP 6 myself, and
see no reason to upgrade. "PSP is 80% of Photoshop at 1/6 the price." If you
ever move up to Photoshop, PSP is also excellent training wheels.
When I was doing websites, I used PhotoDraw because it was easy and,
occasionally, for the rare industrial strength stuff, Photoshop. I did the
actual websites in FrontPage 2000.
I don't know if you know this or care, but you can do decent simple sites in
a hurry in PowerPoint or Publisher. I have done both.
"Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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> I downloaded PhotoFiltre Studio and RealDraw Pro and have been playing
with
> both. PhotoFiltre seems to be the easiest for me to use but both are good.
I
> am looking for something I can use with FrontPage 2003 to create banners,
> rollover buttons and to do other fairly simple graphic editing.
>
> I asked in my original post if something better than PD V2 had been
> released. I am an amateur at this and wonder if you could compare the
> strengths and weaknesses of PhotoFiltre Studio, RealDraw Pro and PhotoDraw
> V2. Thank you.
>
> "Bill Somogyi" <removethisbill@phillysnet.com> wrote in message
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| Bill Somogyi 2005-06-22, 4:14 am |
| Bill:
Try them out like you are doing, compare them and see what feels best. You
can't go wrong with either.
RealDraw is stronger for creating shapes so if you plan on doing a lot of
web design that is probably your best bet to start off with. A lot of it's
bevel features are one click too and it does have a styles library.
PhotoFiltre while you can create just about anything that you can with
RealDraw some of it may be a little more tedius. That being said if once
you are done creating your site you plan on doing a lot of photo
manipulation or touch-up work on digital images then it is the program for
you.
Personally I always prefer keeping my drawing programs seperate from my
photo program so I would opt for both if you can. Looks like I'm not the
only one with this mindset, look at most of the big boys. They have a
vector program and a bitmap program and then folow that up with a page
layout program.
I have tutorials sites up for RealDraw, PhotoFiltre and PhotoFiltre Studio
and even have my old Fun With PhotoDraw up on the server (although not live)
if you want to go back in time so if you have any questions ask I'll try to
help.
In the end what feels comfortable to you is the best program for you. You
can always step up to one of the monsters like Photoshop later. Better to
get your feet wet and learn at a fast pace with one of these programs and as
you expand then you can expand your tool box.
--
Have Fun Bill
RealDraw Cafe
http://realdrawcafe.com
| |
|
| Bill and Walterius:
I think both of you must be professionals and I am not. I do appreciate both
of you taking the time to offer helpful suggestions based on your
experience. However I always loved PD because it was easier for me to
understand when I first got it than say, PaintShop or PhotoImpact. PhotoShop
way too difficult for me when I once tried it long ago. I'm sure that's
still true.
Like most people I see things on the Web that "wow" me from time to time and
I wonder "How did they do that?". Then if I have the time, and with some
effort, I can usually recreate them in PD. As an example I went to
RealDrawCafe and looked at Bill's tutorial for gradient buttons. I did some
similar buttons, maybe not as good, about 3 years ago with PD.
I recently found a vertical navigation bar done with .css. I don't need the
fly-out (I think that is .css) part of the navigation bar, just the static
vertical part. If either of you think this could be done with PD then I
think I will just get another copy of PD V2 off eBay and be satisfied. Here
is a link to the vertical navigation bar.
http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/uberlinks/
Thanks to both of you for your help.
"Bill Somogyi" <removethisbill@phillysnet.com> wrote in message
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> Bill:
>
> Try them out like you are doing, compare them and see what feels best.
> You can't go wrong with either.
>
> RealDraw is stronger for creating shapes so if you plan on doing a lot of
> web design that is probably your best bet to start off with. A lot of
> it's bevel features are one click too and it does have a styles library.
>
> PhotoFiltre while you can create just about anything that you can with
> RealDraw some of it may be a little more tedius. That being said if once
> you are done creating your site you plan on doing a lot of photo
> manipulation or touch-up work on digital images then it is the program for
> you.
>
> Personally I always prefer keeping my drawing programs seperate from my
> photo program so I would opt for both if you can. Looks like I'm not the
> only one with this mindset, look at most of the big boys. They have a
> vector program and a bitmap program and then folow that up with a page
> layout program.
>
> I have tutorials sites up for RealDraw, PhotoFiltre and PhotoFiltre Studio
> and even have my old Fun With PhotoDraw up on the server (although not
> live) if you want to go back in time so if you have any questions ask I'll
> try to help.
>
> In the end what feels comfortable to you is the best program for you. You
> can always step up to one of the monsters like Photoshop later. Better to
> get your feet wet and learn at a fast pace with one of these programs and
> as you expand then you can expand your tool box.
>
> --
> Have Fun Bill
>
> RealDraw Cafe
> http://realdrawcafe.com
>
>
| |
| Walterius 2005-06-22, 7:15 pm |
| Bill, thanks for the compliment, but I have always been an amateur. Bill
Somogyi is the professional.
"Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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> Bill and Walterius:
>
> I think both of you must be professionals and I am not. I do appreciate
both
> of you taking the time to offer helpful suggestions based on your
> experience.
| |
| Bill Somogyi 2005-06-22, 11:14 pm |
| Bill:
The Flyout part of a menu is actually dhtml.
Css is a style that can be applied to just about anything. I do 90% of my
menus with css and I use FrontPage so I can easily walk you through doing
rollovers. They are very simple and there is really nothing hard to learn.
FrontPage does it all for you.
Seriously Bill I'm sure you are saying easy for him to say.
If you go to my PhotoFiltre site. All the buttons on every page. I mean
all of them. every single last one of them is only 4 lines of code total.
No images were used either. Now the beauty of it is FrontPage did all the
code. You don't need to know any of it except for 3 words which I can show
you. What is even better If I want to add another button to the menu all I
do is type the word, make it a hyperlink, apply the style and the button is
created right away. Don't like the color of my buttons, click a button,
selelct a new color and boom. New color button on every button of every
page.
I was actually going to do tutorials for this kind of stuff but I got
sidetracked. To be honest I never use PhotoFiltre I have every graphics
program under the sun so I would have no need for it. What happened was I
was looking for a an easy, free or really cheap program for users of
FrontPage (Notice the Domain Name is FrontPage Solutions) to use as a
graphics app, started testing all the freeware and shareware programs and
when I came upon PhotoFiltre couldn't believe the ease of use and value
(especially the free version) and felt compelled to do tutorials for it. I
figured here is a guiy who obviously spent a lot of time coding the program
the least I could do is help him out with tutorials. I'll get back to it
eventually.
In the mean time if you want I'll do one for the css rollovers if you want.
--
Have Fun Bill
RealDraw Cafe
http://realdrawcafe.com
"Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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> Bill and Walterius:
>
> I think both of you must be professionals and I am not. I do appreciate
> both
> of you taking the time to offer helpful suggestions based on your
> experience. However I always loved PD because it was easier for me to
> understand when I first got it than say, PaintShop or PhotoImpact.
> PhotoShop
> way too difficult for me when I once tried it long ago. I'm sure that's
> still true.
>
> Like most people I see things on the Web that "wow" me from time to time
> and
> I wonder "How did they do that?". Then if I have the time, and with some
> effort, I can usually recreate them in PD. As an example I went to
> RealDrawCafe and looked at Bill's tutorial for gradient buttons. I did
> some similar buttons, maybe not as good, about 3 years ago with PD.
>
> I recently found a vertical navigation bar done with .css. I don't need
> the fly-out (I think that is .css) part of the navigation bar, just the
> static vertical part. If either of you think this could be done with PD
> then I think I will just get another copy of PD V2 off eBay and be
> satisfied. Here is a link to the vertical navigation bar.
>
> http://www.projectseven.com/tutorials/css/uberlinks/
>
> Thanks to both of you for your help.
>
> "Bill Somogyi" <removethisbill@phillysnet.com> wrote in message
> news:%23l7z7vtdFHA.640@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
>
>
| |
|
| Yes, please do a tutorial for the rollover. Are you saying the entire menu
can be done with FrontPage by itself or do you use it in conjunction with
RealDraw Pro somehow?
You also said "If I want to add another button to the menu all I do is type
the word, make it a hyperlink, apply the style and the button is created
right away. Don't like the color of my buttons, click a button, selelct a
new color and boom. New color button on every button of every page."
I thought I knew quite a bit about FrontPage but obviously I don't.
"Bill Somogyi" <removethisbill@phillysnet.com> wrote in message
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> Bill:
>
> The Flyout part of a menu is actually dhtml.
>
> Css is a style that can be applied to just about anything. I do 90% of my
> menus with css and I use FrontPage so I can easily walk you through doing
> rollovers. They are very simple and there is really nothing hard to
> learn. FrontPage does it all for you.
>
> Seriously Bill I'm sure you are saying easy for him to say.
>
> If you go to my PhotoFiltre site. All the buttons on every page. I mean
> all of them. every single last one of them is only 4 lines of code total.
> No images were used either. Now the beauty of it is FrontPage did all the
> code. You don't need to know any of it except for 3 words which I can
> show you. What is even better If I want to add another button to the menu
> all I do is type the word, make it a hyperlink, apply the style and the
> button is created right away. Don't like the color of my buttons, click a
> button, selelct a new color and boom. New color button on every button of
> every page.
>
> I was actually going to do tutorials for this kind of stuff but I got
> sidetracked. To be honest I never use PhotoFiltre I have every graphics
> program under the sun so I would have no need for it. What happened was I
> was looking for a an easy, free or really cheap program for users of
> FrontPage (Notice the Domain Name is FrontPage Solutions) to use as a
> graphics app, started testing all the freeware and shareware programs and
> when I came upon PhotoFiltre couldn't believe the ease of use and value
> (especially the free version) and felt compelled to do tutorials for it.
> I figured here is a guiy who obviously spent a lot of time coding the
> program the least I could do is help him out with tutorials. I'll get
> back to it eventually.
>
> In the mean time if you want I'll do one for the css rollovers if you
> want.
> --
> Have Fun Bill
>
> RealDraw Cafe
> http://realdrawcafe.com
>
>
>
>
>
> "Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
> news:OelBuh0dFHA.584@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>
>
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| Bill Somogyi 2005-06-23, 4:21 am |
| Bill
Give me a day or two I am in the middle of translating some of my tutorials
into French then I'll do one. It is about time I get that site going
anyway. Like I said I got side tracked a bit with the PhotoFiltre
Tutorials. I just wanted to have some up so that folks could have a free
graphics tool to use without the steep learning curve and before you know it
I started to get some requests.
--
Have Fun Bill
RealDraw Cafe
http://realdrawcafe.com
| |
|
| OK I will look for the rollover tutorial. Which site will you put it on?
"Bill Somogyi" <removethisbill@phillysnet.com> wrote in message
news:u%23wwvT6dFHA.3048@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Bill
>
> Give me a day or two I am in the middle of translating some of my
> tutorials into French then I'll do one. It is about time I get that site
> going anyway. Like I said I got side tracked a bit with the PhotoFiltre
> Tutorials. I just wanted to have some up so that folks could have a free
> graphics tool to use without the steep learning curve and before you know
> it I started to get some requests.
>
> --
> Have Fun Bill
>
> RealDraw Cafe
> http://realdrawcafe.com
>
>
| |
| Ludwig Alberter 2005-06-24, 7:17 pm |
| Hi folks,
just can't resist to put my 2 cents to it.
I'm still using PD after years now - some of my earlier works even found
their way into Rich Osbornes theme gallery - and I haven't experienced a
simpler yet more effective tool to quickly enhance and amend graphics
for web content.
But creating buttons, logos, banners and navigation bars is nothing
easier as doing it with Xara Webstyle 4. I only touched the trial demo
shortly to know that its a must-have for me and I never regret that I
squeezed the 80 bucks out of my plastic to get the full version. It
brings a bunch of free templates, even for whole web sites, and has
options for additional template packs, that require purchasing seperately.
You may wish to check at http://www.xara.com for WebStyle4 and other
stuff they offer for web and print publishing.
regards,
Ludwig
| |
|
| Thanks for the link Ludwig.
"Ludwig Alberter" <ibro.vurgl@freenet.de> wrote in message
news:%23jBli2KeFHA.2180@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hi folks,
>
> just can't resist to put my 2 cents to it.
>
> I'm still using PD after years now - some of my earlier works even found
> their way into Rich Osbornes theme gallery - and I haven't experienced a
> simpler yet more effective tool to quickly enhance and amend graphics for
> web content.
>
> But creating buttons, logos, banners and navigation bars is nothing easier
> as doing it with Xara Webstyle 4. I only touched the trial demo shortly to
> know that its a must-have for me and I never regret that I squeezed the 80
> bucks out of my plastic to get the full version. It brings a bunch of free
> templates, even for whole web sites, and has options for additional
> template packs, that require purchasing seperately.
>
> You may wish to check at http://www.xara.com for WebStyle4 and other stuff
> they offer for web and print publishing.
>
> regards,
> Ludwig
>
| |
| Bill Somogyi 2005-06-24, 11:14 pm |
| To add to what Ludwig says above
Good Points:
1) It does have some Photo Editing capabilities. Don't get me wrong it is
not a full blown image editor but it can be all that some folks need. You
can crop your image, resize it adjust brightness, contrast and color and
create thumbnails.
2) It has a PhotoAlbum Builder for publishing photo albums to the web.
3) You can change quite a bit of the attributes of the object you are
creating whether it is a button, banner or just a devider. Most things like
the color of the buton, color of the text, outlines etc can be changed. The
banners that use textures can be changed to.
4) You can export as a ping which I use almost exclusively anymore.
5) Pretty good previews before you save. It even gives you the download
time for 6 different types of internet connection.
6) You can save color schemes although they screwed this up when then
upgraded from 3. I found 3 easier to save my schemes.
Bad Points
1) If you use the dhtml menu's the code its bloated and a nightmare to use
in FrontPage includes.
2) It kind of aggravates me that they charge $19.99 for the new templates
they bring out. When they 1st started creating the templates packs they
gave you a couple free button sets. Not anymore they charge for them all.
They even gave free web templates when they 1st integrated them into version
4.
3) You are limited to creating what they have templates for. You can not
design your own creation. This again may not be a problem for most folks.
Worth Checking out. It may suit your needs.
--
Have Fun Bill
RealDraw Cafe
http://realdrawcafe.com
"Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:urWvDEOeFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for the link Ludwig.
>
> "Ludwig Alberter" <ibro.vurgl@freenet.de> wrote in message
> news:%23jBli2KeFHA.2180@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>
>
| |
|
| Thanks to everyone for recommending the various graphic editors. I
downloaded and tested WebStyle4 this afternoon. I tried, I think 4 or 5
others, but PD V2 is still my choice. Maybe I am just comfortable with it
after 3 years now. I know a lot of people here are pros and have bought lots
of editors, plug-ins etc. over the years but I am a hobbist and only want 1
to use to keep things simple.
I am surprised after the 4 or 5 years that PD has been out I didn't find
something that would be better. I am even more surpised that Microsoft
didn't stay with PD and upgrade every 2 years like they do with with Office,
FrontPage ect. FWIW, my vote for 2nd place goes to RealDraw Pro.
"Bill Somogyi" <removethisbill@phillysnet.com> wrote in message
news:%23teA9JReFHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> To add to what Ludwig says above
>
> Good Points:
>
> 1) It does have some Photo Editing capabilities. Don't get me wrong it
> is not a full blown image editor but it can be all that some folks need.
> You can crop your image, resize it adjust brightness, contrast and color
> and create thumbnails.
>
> 2) It has a PhotoAlbum Builder for publishing photo albums to the web.
>
> 3) You can change quite a bit of the attributes of the object you are
> creating whether it is a button, banner or just a devider. Most things
> like the color of the buton, color of the text, outlines etc can be
> changed. The banners that use textures can be changed to.
>
> 4) You can export as a ping which I use almost exclusively anymore.
>
> 5) Pretty good previews before you save. It even gives you the download
> time for 6 different types of internet connection.
>
> 6) You can save color schemes although they screwed this up when then
> upgraded from 3. I found 3 easier to save my schemes.
>
> Bad Points
>
> 1) If you use the dhtml menu's the code its bloated and a nightmare to
> use in FrontPage includes.
>
> 2) It kind of aggravates me that they charge $19.99 for the new templates
> they bring out. When they 1st started creating the templates packs they
> gave you a couple free button sets. Not anymore they charge for them all.
> They even gave free web templates when they 1st integrated them into
> version 4.
>
> 3) You are limited to creating what they have templates for. You can not
> design your own creation. This again may not be a problem for most folks.
>
> Worth Checking out. It may suit your needs.
>
>
> --
> Have Fun Bill
>
> RealDraw Cafe
> http://realdrawcafe.com
>
>
>
> "Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
> news:urWvDEOeFHA.2076@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>
>
| |
| Walterius 2005-06-25, 7:17 pm |
| "I am even more surprised that Microsoft didn't stay with PD and upgrade
every 2 years like they do with Office, FrontPage etc."
So are we all. (Sob.) :(
| |
|
| Sob also! Does anyone know why they didn't?
Walterius, you also said "It's only fair as an image editor." I saw where
you said you used PhotoShop (the mark of a pro even withstanding your
denial). Do you mean PD is "only fair" when compared to PhotoShop, or
something else? Where do you think PD is weak for photo/image editing?
I finally found/bought a copy of PD V2 Thursday and it should arrive today.
Obviously I can't wait to get my hands on an old friend after looking at the
others. However even after 3 or 4 years of using it, I feel like I have
barely scratched the surface of what it is cabable of.
"Walterius" <nohow@noway.not> wrote in message
news:O%23B0YbXeFHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> "I am even more surprised that Microsoft didn't stay with PD and upgrade
> every 2 years like they do with Office, FrontPage etc."
>
> So are we all. (Sob.) :(
>
>
| |
| Walterius 2005-06-25, 11:14 pm |
| Bill,
I said I used Photoshop, but I didn't say I was good at it. :)
PD2 can't do much in the way of advanced editing. For example, its
sharpening tool sucks. Photoshop has four or five sharpening tools, some
adjustable, some with third-party plug-ins. There's no comparison. But if
you only want to improve a blurry image only slightly--which is reasonable
if it is only for the web--then PD2 is OK.
Believe me, Bill, when you can do everything PD2 can do, you will be a
successful web graphics creator. You may not need heavyweight programs like
Photoshop for years. When and if you do, they're there. PD2 (came with
Office) and Paint Shop Pro (cheap) were my first gfx pgms. I only got
Photoshop at all because a friend gave me a copy. No way I could spend $600
for it.
The reason I have and use Photoshop, Corel Photo-Paint, Expression, Paint
Shop Pro, Picasa, FastStone Image Viewer, PhotoFiltre, Xara X, IrfanView,
Real-Draw Pro, Corel Draw, Adobe Illustrator, accessory tools such as a
color picker, and more, is simple: gfx is my hobby. I pursue it like I used
to pursue photography. At one time I had five Nikon bodies, 20 Nikon lenses,
and half the accessories Nikon made. Eventually I burned out and sold it
all. But I was a *very* serious amateur photographer and did weddings on the
side. As a gfx person, I did my own website gfx, did the cover graphic (in
PD2 and Photoshop) of my book, and so on. But I didn't try to make a living
at it.
"Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:eGHzrfYeFHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Sob also! Does anyone know why they didn't?
>
> Walterius, you also said "It's only fair as an image editor." I saw where
> you said you used PhotoShop (the mark of a pro even withstanding your
> denial). Do you mean PD is "only fair" when compared to PhotoShop, or
> something else? Where do you think PD is weak for photo/image editing?
>
> I finally found/bought a copy of PD V2 Thursday and it should arrive
today.
> Obviously I can't wait to get my hands on an old friend after looking at
the
> others. However even after 3 or 4 years of using it, I feel like I have
> barely scratched the surface of what it is cabable of.
>
>
> "Walterius" <nohow@noway.not> wrote in message
> news:O%23B0YbXeFHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
>
>
| |
|
| Well I don't think someone who makes a living at something is by definition
a professional. I know many people, who do things because they take an
interest in something, that do those things better than others who charge a
fortune just because they can get away with it.
I must say I have never heard of anyone that owned more graphic editing
software than you do! While I know the number of tools someone owns doesn't
make them a professional, it does indicate a certain amount of interest in
that particular area. Your interest in graphics must be very high.
I have no use for PhotoShop for lots of reasons; it's way above my head and
I don't have the time, money or temperament to invest.
I would just like to figure out, as I get the time, about 20% of what is
possible using PD2. I'm glad I found this group though. It gives me some
encouragement that the time I have spent with PD hasn't been wasted and that
graphic editors haven't just leapfrogged past me while I was out of the
country. By the way, I'll bet you are pretty good with PhotoShop. :)
"Walterius" <nohow@noway.not> wrote in message
news:%23gfmDxdeFHA.2844@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Bill,
>
> I said I used Photoshop, but I didn't say I was good at it. :)
>
> PD2 can't do much in the way of advanced editing. For example, its
> sharpening tool sucks. Photoshop has four or five sharpening tools, some
> adjustable, some with third-party plug-ins. There's no comparison. But if
> you only want to improve a blurry image only slightly--which is reasonable
> if it is only for the web--then PD2 is OK.
>
> Believe me, Bill, when you can do everything PD2 can do, you will be a
> successful web graphics creator. You may not need heavyweight programs
> like
> Photoshop for years. When and if you do, they're there. PD2 (came with
> Office) and Paint Shop Pro (cheap) were my first gfx pgms. I only got
> Photoshop at all because a friend gave me a copy. No way I could spend
> $600
> for it.
>
> The reason I have and use Photoshop, Corel Photo-Paint, Expression, Paint
> Shop Pro, Picasa, FastStone Image Viewer, PhotoFiltre, Xara X, IrfanView,
> Real-Draw Pro, Corel Draw, Adobe Illustrator, accessory tools such as a
> color picker, and more, is simple: gfx is my hobby. I pursue it like I
> used
> to pursue photography. At one time I had five Nikon bodies, 20 Nikon
> lenses,
> and half the accessories Nikon made. Eventually I burned out and sold it
> all. But I was a *very* serious amateur photographer and did weddings on
> the
> side. As a gfx person, I did my own website gfx, did the cover graphic (in
> PD2 and Photoshop) of my book, and so on. But I didn't try to make a
> living
> at it.
>
> "Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
> news:eGHzrfYeFHA.1456@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> today.
> the
>
>
| |
| Bill Somogyi 2005-06-26, 4:15 am |
|
"Bill" wrote in message
> It gives me some encouragement that the time I have spent with PD hasn't
> been wasted and that graphic editors haven't just leapfrogged past me
> while I was out of the country.
Well that is not exactly true. The healing brushes the new programs have
along with the cut-out and masking tools are so far superior than they were
18 months ago it's not funny. I personally could not live without Corel
Draw and am amazed evertime I use PhotoPaints cut-out tool.
Although I won't speak for Walter I can tell you my responses were on ease
of use for a hobbiest or newcomer not on whether the programs or for that
matter a particular program is better. If your Question was :
I plan on starting a career in graphic design what programs should I look at
I would have answered Corel Draw Suite 12 or the Adobe' Creative Suite.
It's no difference than the tools you mentioned, sure a hand saw can cut a 2
x 4 just as good as a table saw but now try ripping that 2 x 4 down to a
1/2" legnth wise. If you could do it, it would take forever and there is
now way the quality would be as good. Now if you will never need to rip the
2 x 4 down to a 1/2 inch then the hand saw is okay for your needs.
--
Have Fun Bill
RealDraw Cafe
http://realdrawcafe.com
| |
| Walterius 2005-06-26, 7:14 am |
| Send us (or me) your PD2 questions and we'll try to help.
| |
| Walterius 2005-06-26, 7:14 am |
| Right on, Bill (Somogyi).
"Bill Somogyi" <removethisbill@phillysnet.com> wrote in message
news:uEGNWqfeFHA.1600@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
> "Bill" wrote in message
>
hasn't[color=darkred]
>
> Well that is not exactly true. The healing brushes the new programs have
> along with the cut-out and masking tools are so far superior than they
were
> 18 months ago it's not funny. I personally could not live without Corel
> Draw and am amazed evertime I use PhotoPaints cut-out tool.
>
> Although I won't speak for Walter I can tell you my responses were on ease
> of use for a hobbiest or newcomer not on whether the programs or for that
> matter a particular program is better. If your Question was :
>
> I plan on starting a career in graphic design what programs should I look
at
> I would have answered Corel Draw Suite 12 or the Adobe' Creative Suite.
>
> It's no difference than the tools you mentioned, sure a hand saw can cut a
2
> x 4 just as good as a table saw but now try ripping that 2 x 4 down to a
> 1/2" legnth wise. If you could do it, it would take forever and there is
> now way the quality would be as good. Now if you will never need to rip
the
> 2 x 4 down to a 1/2 inch then the hand saw is okay for your needs.
>
> --
> Have Fun Bill
>
> RealDraw Cafe
> http://realdrawcafe.com
>
>
| |
|
| Walterius, thanks for your kind offer to help. Bill, please put me at the
hobbyist level. I did receive PD2 in the mail yesterday and am going back
through the built-in tutorial. Already, just skipping through it, I am
amazed at all the things I had forgotten or didn't see previously.
The first thing I tried was the Blur/Sharpen tool. Pretty simple but maybe
not precise enough by today's standards. Then I found the Rollovers and
there were 26 of them! I had never used them because I never
understood how they were meant to work with FP 2000. I remember using
Save/Send to export the rollover button to FP but then got lost. There is
nothing (that I could find) in either PD or FP that explains the entire
process. As an example, if I have a 3, 5 or 7 page Web, how many buttons do
I have to make and export? Is each one of the 26 rollovers meant to be
applied to a particular type (wood, metal, paper, plastic) of button? Oh
well, enough griping...
The first thing I would like to know is are PD's rollovers still worth
trying to learn or has FP 2003 advanced to the point where FP can do one all
by itself like the one at pvii. Thanks again.
"Walterius" <nohow@noway.not> wrote in message
news:%23yz5DMieFHA.640@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Send us (or me) your PD2 questions and we'll try to help.
>
>
| |
| Walterius 2005-06-28, 11:14 pm |
| I no longer do websites, and I never liked and never used rollovers, so I
was hoping Bill S would answer your questions about them. However ...
A rollover is just a fancy hyperlink. Anywhere you want a hyperlink, you
could in theory use a rollover. However, most people put them on the left or
top of their pages (Home, Contact Us, About Us, etc.).
When you export one to FP, you still have to add the hyperlink to it in FP
(CTRL+K). Otherwise, you can click on it, and it will change states, but it
won't link anywhere.
HTH.
"Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:OgzHzNleFHA.3184@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Walterius, thanks for your kind offer to help. Bill, please put me at the
> hobbyist level. I did receive PD2 in the mail yesterday and am going back
> through the built-in tutorial. Already, just skipping through it, I am
> amazed at all the things I had forgotten or didn't see previously.
>
> The first thing I tried was the Blur/Sharpen tool. Pretty simple but maybe
> not precise enough by today's standards. Then I found the Rollovers and
> there were 26 of them! I had never used them because I never
> understood how they were meant to work with FP 2000. I remember using
> Save/Send to export the rollover button to FP but then got lost. There is
> nothing (that I could find) in either PD or FP that explains the entire
> process. As an example, if I have a 3, 5 or 7 page Web, how many buttons
do
> I have to make and export? Is each one of the 26 rollovers meant to be
> applied to a particular type (wood, metal, paper, plastic) of button? Oh
> well, enough griping...
>
> The first thing I would like to know is are PD's rollovers still worth
> trying to learn or has FP 2003 advanced to the point where FP can do one
all
> by itself like the one at pvii. Thanks again.
>
> "Walterius" <nohow@noway.not> wrote in message
> news:%23yz5DMieFHA.640@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
>
>
>
>
| |
| Walterius 2005-06-28, 11:14 pm |
| Forgot to add: whether or not it's a button or just a text (or other)
hyperlink, is up to you.
"Walterius" <nohow@noway.not> wrote in message
news:%23DUjZ9EfFHA.2372@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> I no longer do websites, and I never liked and never used rollovers, so I
> was hoping Bill S would answer your questions about them. However ...
>
> A rollover is just a fancy hyperlink. Anywhere you want a hyperlink, you
> could in theory use a rollover. However, most people put them on the left
or
> top of their pages (Home, Contact Us, About Us, etc.).
>
> When you export one to FP, you still have to add the hyperlink to it in FP
> (CTRL+K). Otherwise, you can click on it, and it will change states, but
it
> won't link anywhere.
>
> HTH.
>
> "Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
> news:OgzHzNleFHA.3184@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
the[color=darkred]
back[color=darkred]
maybe[color=darkred]
is[color=darkred]
> do
> all
>
>
| |
|
| Thanks Walterius. I guess I'm just missing a step (or two). For say a five
page site, how many buttons do I have to make in PD? Is it one button per
page OR just one button for all the pages?
I apoligize for being so dumb but I never did understand this. I am sitting
here
now with Easy Web Graphics by Julie Adair King in my lap. She covers
rollovers from page 255-258 and I still just don't get it. Sigh...
"Walterius" <nohow@noway.not> wrote in message
news:%230AGJGFfFHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Forgot to add: whether or not it's a button or just a text (or other)
> hyperlink, is up to you.
>
>
> "Walterius" <nohow@noway.not> wrote in message
> news:%23DUjZ9EfFHA.2372@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> or
> it
> the
> back
> maybe
> is
>
>
| |
| Mary Sauer 2005-06-29, 7:14 am |
| Academic Technology Training Opportunities: Self Paced Instruction
http://www.arhu.umd.edu/technology/selfpaced.html
Creating a Navigational Bar with Rollovers Using PhotoDraw
http://www.arhu.umd.edu/technology/...raw/navbar.html
--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com
"Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:OlKaNbFfFHA.748@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Thanks Walterius. I guess I'm just missing a step (or two). For say a five
> page site, how many buttons do I have to make in PD? Is it one button per
> page OR just one button for all the pages?
>
> I apoligize for being so dumb but I never did understand this. I am sitting here
> now with Easy Web Graphics by Julie Adair King in my lap. She covers
> rollovers from page 255-258 and I still just don't get it. Sigh...
>
> "Walterius" <nohow@noway.not> wrote in message
> news:%230AGJGFfFHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>
>
>
| |
|
| Thank you Mary. Boy that is a tedious process though and prone to many
errors. (I mader several while going through the steps before finally
getting it right). Bill Somogyi (Have Fun Bill) said in an earlier post that
he had a way where FP did most of the work. I hope so.
By the way, since PD is now so old with no updates do you know of a better
grapics editor for the Web only? I have no need for PhotoShop which does
everything (Web and Print) a professional could need.
"Mary Sauer" <gsauer@mycolumbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:%23rwnsTJfFHA.3692@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Academic Technology Training Opportunities: Self Paced Instruction
> http://www.arhu.umd.edu/technology/selfpaced.html
>
> Creating a Navigational Bar with Rollovers Using PhotoDraw
>
> http://www.arhu.umd.edu/technology/...raw/navbar.html
>
>
> --
> Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
> http://office.microsoft.com/
> http://msauer.mvps.org/
> news://msnews.microsoft.com
> "Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
> news:OlKaNbFfFHA.748@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>
>
| |
| Mary Sauer 2005-06-29, 7:23 pm |
| I use CorelDraw and Photo-Paint for what tiny amount of web stuff I do. (Mainly
turning images into .gifs for web use). I am not a web designer nor do I ever intend
to be. I make use of FrontPage and its ease for doing my page. It has all the tools I
need. I would dearly love to be able to put together a nifty web site.
There are modestly priced web applications around; some better than others. My
son-in-law uses Macromedia, but the learning curve is way beyond my gray matter.
There is a beta program that Microsoft has online called "Acrylic." A free download,
it has some spectacular tools. You might want to try it out, a large download. A nice
mixture of vectors and raster.
http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/
Drop in on the forum and see what folks are saying
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microso...sion.discussion
--
Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
http://office.microsoft.com/
http://msauer.mvps.org/
news://msnews.microsoft.com
"Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:%23VUGe6KfFHA.584@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Thank you Mary. Boy that is a tedious process though and prone to many errors. (I
> mader several while going through the steps before finally getting it right). Bill
> Somogyi (Have Fun Bill) said in an earlier post that he had a way where FP did most
> of the work. I hope so.
>
> By the way, since PD is now so old with no updates do you know of a better grapics
> editor for the Web only? I have no need for PhotoShop which does everything (Web
> and Print) a professional could need.
>
> "Mary Sauer" <gsauer@mycolumbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:%23rwnsTJfFHA.3692@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>
>
| |
|
| Thanks Mary but I am looking only for Web design.
"Mary Sauer" <gsauer@mycolumbus.rr.com> wrote in message
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>I use CorelDraw and Photo-Paint for what tiny amount of web stuff I do.
>(Mainly turning images into .gifs for web use). I am not a web designer
>nor do I ever intend to be. I make use of FrontPage and its ease for doing
>my page. It has all the tools I need. I would dearly love to be able to put
>together a nifty web site.
> There are modestly priced web applications around; some better than
> others. My son-in-law uses Macromedia, but the learning curve is way
> beyond my gray matter.
> There is a beta program that Microsoft has online called "Acrylic." A free
> download, it has some spectacular tools. You might want to try it out, a
> large download. A nice mixture of vectors and raster.
> http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/
> Drop in on the forum and see what folks are saying
> news://msnews.microsoft.com/microso...sion.discussion
>
>
> --
> Mary Sauer MSFT MVP
> http://office.microsoft.com/
> http://msauer.mvps.org/
> news://msnews.microsoft.com
> "Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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| Bill Somogyi 2005-06-29, 11:14 pm |
| Bill:
Do you have MSN Messenger?
If not download it and then we can get together online one night and I'll
walk you through the various ways to create rollovers in FrontPage 2003.
Believe it or not there are 3 different ways to do it all with just clicking
away no hand coding. Well about 15 letters of hand coding for one of them.
But that is it.
The other option is I have a java chat program on my server I haven't used
it lately so I don't know how fast it is but we can give that a whirl if
you'd like.
I live in est standard time not sure where you are at but I'm usually
available after 7:30 pm.
--
Have Fun Bill
RealDraw Cafe
http://realdrawcafe.com
"Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks Mary but I am looking only for Web design.
> "Mary Sauer" <gsauer@mycolumbus.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:e8Bm4eNfFHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
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| I don't have MSN Messenger. I never had a need for it until now. I'm sure I
can get it or we can use your program. Since you're the teacher, you can
decide.
I'm in cst so I think you are an hour ahead of me sp 7:30-9:00 is ok. Please
tell me when you want to start and if I should look for MSN Messenger.
Thanks for your help.
"Bill Somogyi" <removethisbill@phillysnet.com> wrote in message
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> Bill:
>
> Do you have MSN Messenger?
>
> If not download it and then we can get together online one night and I'll
> walk you through the various ways to create rollovers in FrontPage 2003.
> Believe it or not there are 3 different ways to do it all with just
> clicking away no hand coding. Well about 15 letters of hand coding for
> one of them. But that is it.
>
> The other option is I have a java chat program on my server I haven't used
> it lately so I don't know how fast it is but we can give that a whirl if
> you'd like.
>
> I live in est standard time not sure where you are at but I'm usually
> available after 7:30 pm.
>
>
> --
> Have Fun Bill
>
> RealDraw Cafe
> http://realdrawcafe.com
>
>
>
>
> "Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
> news:%23ooaarNfFHA.3944@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
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| Bill Somogyi 2005-06-29, 11:14 pm |
| http://messenger.msn.com/
It is free. I have had it for years I think you need to sign up for an ms
passport in order to get it. No big deal just make sure you uncheck the
boxes where they want to e-mail you junk :) It's a pretty good little
program I've used it quite a few times to help people do stuff that were
stuck.
Like I said above I'm free most nights after 7:30 (6:30 for you)
--
Have Fun Bill
RealDraw Cafe
http://realdrawcafe.com
"Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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>I don't have MSN Messenger. I never had a need for it until now. I'm sure I
>can get it or we can use your program. Since you're the teacher, you can
>decide.
>
> I'm in cst so I think you are an hour ahead of me sp 7:30-9:00 is ok.
> Please tell me when you want to start and if I should look for MSN
> Messenger. Thanks for your help.
>
>
> "Bill Somogyi" <removethisbill@phillysnet.com> wrote in message
> news:uj159zPfFHA.3912@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
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>
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| I now have a hotmail account. MS no longer allows the uncheck box! My
address is billmartin1227@hotmail.com. (I can remove this after we're done).
I appreciate the help Bill. I can start whenever you want. Please let me
know when.
"Bill Somogyi" <removethisbill@phillysnet.com> wrote in message
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> http://messenger.msn.com/
>
> It is free. I have had it for years I think you need to sign up for an ms
> passport in order to get it. No big deal just make sure you uncheck the
> boxes where they want to e-mail you junk :) It's a pretty good little
> program I've used it quite a few times to help people do stuff that were
> stuck.
>
> Like I said above I'm free most nights after 7:30 (6:30 for you)
> --
> Have Fun Bill
>
> RealDraw Cafe
> http://realdrawcafe.com
>
>
> "Bill" <b.m 128(N***S)@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
> news:uKpEVmQfFHA.2444@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
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| Walterius 2005-07-04, 7:17 pm |
| Disks for PD2 were discontinued years ago. You might try eBay; they
sometimes have copies for at least the original cost of the program ($110
and up).
Also consider Real-Draw Pro, which many like as well as PD2. It's
inexpensive, too, about $55. www.mediachance.com It has many similarities
with PD2, but is much better in some respects. Visit www.imagedraw.com
(amateur uses of RDP) to see what I mean.
"fracturedspoon" <fracturedspoon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Is there a way to download a fix for Photodraw 2000 V2?
> I've changed computers and no longer have the original disc set.
> Some of the program transfered to my new laptop but not everything.
> All the contents from disk 2 is missing, and as I've stated... I no longer
> (for years now) don't have the disk set (which came with my old computer).
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
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| fracturedspoon 2005-07-04, 11:14 pm |
| I've got to start re-reading my posts... Whew!
No sir, I did not try the "Acrylic BETA" it is a trial, which you need
purchase after a given time. I love the Photodraw 2000 V2, IF I had the money
I'd purchase the seperate set on EBAY... BUT! I was hoping for a site to get
a repair or ifx for my existing copy. Should have learned how to back up my
last version. Spilt milk...
"fracturedspoon" wrote:
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> Is there a way to download a fix for Photodraw 2000 V2?
> I've changed computers and no longer have the original disc set.
> Some of the program transfered to my new laptop but not everything.
> All the contents from disk 2 is missing, and as I've stated... I no longer
> (for years now) don't have the disk set (which came with my old computer).
> "Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
>
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| fracturedspoon 2005-07-05, 4:16 am |
| I checked eBay... someone was selling MS PhotoDraw 2000 V2... @ nearly $300.
So much for getting a seperate copy... I hate to learn a new system. I'm
downloading the Beta of the one mentioned earlier. I'm going to save it to a
disk not on my computer... for now. I'll also check out RealDraw Pro... Thanx
for your help. SFC Wilcox
"Walterius" wrote:
> Disks for PD2 were discontinued years ago. You might try eBay; they
> sometimes have copies for at least the original cost of the program ($110
> and up).
>
> Also consider Real-Draw Pro, which many like as well as PD2. It's
> inexpensive, too, about $55. www.mediachance.com It has many similarities
> with PD2, but is much better in some respects. Visit www.imagedraw.com
> (amateur uses of RDP) to see what I mean.
>
> "fracturedspoon" <fracturedspoon@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:DB8AF88D-49DD-4AC0-AEF5-4399D3D0ECCD@microsoft.com...
> for
> http://profile.microsoft.com/RegSys...6c795&lcid=1033
> V2
> move
> weeks
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